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Sack mcgregor

Dragonslayer

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Andrew Johns commented in an article by the Sporting News:

"But they need a change...they look like a tired, stale footy team and they just need to scrap everything.
They need new calls for different players, a different outlook on how they play and how they train. They need to mix it up.
Even when they were flying, towards the end ofvthe year they would always fall off a cliff and there heeds to be some changes there."

New coach please!

https://www.nospam47.com/au/league/...ittler-andrew-johns/l81d14mixffe1ss5sqyef5rrg
 

Dea

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Andrew Johns commented in an article by the Sporting News:

"But they need a change...they look like a tired, stale footy team and they just need to scrap everything.
They need new calls for different players, a different outlook on how they play and how they train. They need to mix it up.
Even when they were flying, towards the end ofvthe year they would always fall off a cliff and there heeds to be some changes there."

Scrap everything. Start with the one responsible. Move on McGregor!
 

St Georgio

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Quite interesting Wigan doesn't accept mediocrity.
So if people don't believe the ESL doesn't deserve Credit, check out our Aussie coaching Flops!
Our Board have lost the Plot!
Championships 22 (1909, 1922, 1926, 1934, 1946, 1947, 1950, 1952, 1960, 1987, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 2010, 2013, 2016, 2018)
Challenge Cups 19 (1924, 1929, 1948, 1951, 1958, 1959, 1965, 1985, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2002, 2011, 2013)
World Club Challenges 4 (1987, 1991, 1994, 2017
Adrian Lam October 2018 ???
Shaun Wane October 2011 October 2018 Left to coach Scotland Rugby Union 1 League Leaders Shield, 1 Challenge Cup, 3 Championships, 1 World Club Challenge, Undefeated in the Magic Weekend

Michael Maguire October 2009 October 2011 Left to coach South Sydney Rabbitohs 1 Championship, 1 Challenge Cup, 1 League Leaders' Shield
Brian Noble April 2006 October 2009 Contract not renewed
Ian Millward May 2005 April 2006 Sacked
Denis Betts May 2004 May 2005 Resigned Mike Gregory July 2003 May 2004 Sick leave
Stuart Raper May 2001 July 2003 Sacked 1 Challenge Cup
Frank Endacott December 1999 May 2001 Sacked
Andy Goodway June 1999 December 1999 Sacked
John Monie November 1997 June 1999 Sacked 1 Championship
Eric Hughes February 1997 November 1997 Sacked
Graeme West May 1994 February 1997 Sacked 2 Championships, 1 Challenge Cup, 1 World Club Challenge
John Dorahy June 1993 May 1994 Sacked 1 Championship, 1 Challenge Cup
John Monie September 1989 May 1993 Resigned 4 Championships, 4 Challenge Cups, 1 World Club Challenge
 
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BLM01

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On a side note I see NRL have compiled a list of the Dragons Top 5 tries from this year.
The problem was they had to dig into 2018 for footage to make up the numbers.
But seriously 4 of Top 5 for 2019 featured Dufty.
I know I sang his praises last year and shouted to the roof tops he needed coaching and time to develop defence and become a good NRL fullback and was going to wait to see how he developed this year.
I did note some improvements in defence before he was dropped and I know he does have some attitude issues but surely a half decent coach can turn this attacking weapon into one of the better fullbacks in the comp.
 

hazzbeen

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On a side note I see NRL have compiled a list of the Dragons Top 5 tries from this year.
The problem was they had to dig into 2018 for footage to make up the numbers.
But seriously 4 of Top 5 for 2019 featured Dufty.
I know I sang his praises last year and shouted to the roof tops he needed coaching and time to develop defence and become a good NRL fullback and was going to wait to see how he developed this year.
I did note some improvements in defence before he was dropped and I know he does have some attitude issues but surely a half decent coach can turn this attacking weapon into one of the better fullbacks in the comp.
Dufty can work out as you say with the right coach can be a match winner .... But I don't think we will see the best in him or see him staying with the "Super I am Good Coach we have"....
 

getsmarty

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The Dragons won't fix their woes until they have a new coach



Andrew Ferguson

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In Round 10, 2014, St George Illawarra lost 36-0 to Parramatta, a result which saw them fall from competition leaders to 13th on the table in the space of six weeks. It was the point of no return for Steve Price.

Price took over the Dragons in the post-Wayne Bennett era, but he couldn’t get the side to fire like the super coach had.

From 2012 to 2014, he was in charge 58 times for 22 wins – a success rate of just 37.9 per cent.


The club didn’t accept prolonged failure then. He was replaced by former player Paul McGregor.

Fast forward to this April, when the Dragons had opened their season with back-to-back losses before winning their next three straight games. That was enough for officials to decide that McGregor deserved a new contract.

Up until that point, ‘Mary’ had won 60 of 118 games – just over half. He’d snuck his side into the top eight in 2015, finished 11th in 2016, ninth in 2017, before rising to seventh last year.

After his new deal, St George Illawarra have won just four of their 18 games – a paltry 22.22 per cent success rate.

Now there’s talk he could lose his job at the end of the year. Madness.

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(AAP Image/Michael Chambers)



There have been mumblings all year that the Jack de Belin saga was largely to blame for their season. But given the fact they won four of their opening six games, this is improbable.

In 2019, the Red V have had their lowest possession percentage of all their full seasons under McGregor. In 2015 and 2017 it was over 51 per cent, 2016 was at 49.3 per cent, 2018 was 48.8 per cent, and 2019 is slightly lower at 48.7.

This year is their second-worst for completions over that time, at 76.3 per cent, with only 2016’s 75.4 per cent worse.

They’ve also made fewer line breaks in 2019 than their previous two seasons – 5.1 per game in 2017 and 3.4 in 2018, compared to 3.2 this year.

But most glaring is the field of post-contact metres. In 2015, 2016 and 2017 the Dragons averaged more per game than the competition average. But in 2018, that number dipped below the average. And while the number of post-contact metres has dropped competition-wide in 2019, McGregor’s team have fallen even further.

Tackle breaks also peaked in 2017, at 40.4 per game. In 2018 they were down to 35.8 and have plummeted to 28 in 2019.

Dummy-half running is the lowest it’s ever been under McGregor. In 2016 they made 14.6 runs from dummy half per game but that number fell to 12.5 and 12.3 in 2017 and 2018 respectively. In 2019, it’s down to just 10.

Offloads, which had been a team trait, have dropped by two per game in 2018 and almost another two again this year. Try assists have also fallen over the last two seasons, as have line-break assists.


There have been increases – but not in good areas. Missed tackles have gone up, as have handling errors. Ineffective tackles and penalties conceded have ever so slightly improved from 2018, but are still notably worse than in 2017.

Given de Belin’s absence is being cited as a major factor for the poor year, it’s only fair to look at his stats.

In 2018, he had four line breaks, 40 tackle breaks, 29 offloads, no try assists, 26 missed tackles, 12 errors, and conceded 16 penalties.

If added to their 2019 stats, his figures do not improve the team’s numbers enough to stop the downward trend.

Now obviously this is a simplistic view, however if a pack brimming with international stars like James Graham, Paul Vaughan, Tyson Frizell, and Korbin and Tariq Sims cannot cover for de Belin’s loss – let alone maintain solid numbers for three years – then there’s a much bigger issue.

Despite the magnificent squad all at the peak of their careers, this team is going backwards. They started heading in that direction before the last off-season.

The problem is a one-dimensional coach who is incapable of adapting and implementing changes to the point his side has become pedestrian. They are now the worst thing a team can be in attack: predictable. Much like the excuses he constantly trots out.

The Dragons should have waited until the end of 2019 to determine what to do with the gaffer. Not one club would have been chasing him in April, so why rush into re-signing him? The writing was on the wall last year, but a finals appearance papered over the cracks.

McGregor is the sixth coach in the joint-venture’s history and has a success rate of 47.4 per cent, which is better than Steve Price (37.9%) and Andrew Farrar (43.3%), but well behind Bennett (65%), David Waite (56.3%) and Nathan Brown (53%).

The Round 24 loss to the Tigers saw Paul McGregor become the St George Illawarra Dragons’ losingest coach in 21 years of existence.

He, and those responsible for extending his tenure as coach, need to be replaced immediately if the club is to turn their fortunes around.

https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/09/...eir-current-woes-until-they-have-a-new-coach/
 
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I just wanted to shout out to young Hosty.

He is apparently a good young bloke and not too pleased with himself as many players are.

That he’s been left to the misery of McIdiot may be the ruin of his career.

Don’t worry lads, his sgi fan mates won’t let him be truly drawn into Mary World.

He is a next generation player.
 

Willow

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An academic of the game, like the Quigmeister
@Quigs
Ah Quigsy, the bastard.

Those were the days... back when the skills of scanning, video capture and uploading a picture suddenly made you the coolest kid on the block. We were still writing cheques back then, although never expecting to receive any in return. Alas, some things never change.
 

thebigredv

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I just wanted to shout out to young Hosty.

He is apparently a good young bloke and not too pleased with himself as many players are.

That he’s been left to the misery of McIdiot may be the ruin of his career.

Don’t worry lads, his sgi fan mates won’t let him be truly drawn into Mary World.

He is a next generation player.

Exactly. Great player whose career will be ended because of a coach who doesn't know how to use or manage his players.
 

getsmarty

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The protected species AKA Paul McGregor is confirmed to be safe by our all mighty saviour Phil Gould.
Happy Friday everyone.

Even with a board member not happy, this was going to always be the inevitable result.

It's almost as if McGregor runs the club....and the only result will be the club going further downhill.

Needs to be a massive broom put through the place...the board are facilitating this....

People need to really consider voting with their feet.....it is pretty much the only option left that may cause change.
 
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Exactly. Great player whose career will be ended because of a coach who doesn't know how to use or manage his players.

It’s ok, the youngster at work who played footy with dufty and hosty will keep the latter honest about Mary if and when he bumps into him.

I am told that a lot of youngster diaspora, those in the Illawarra junior elite that didn’t want to kick on or who weren’t good enough, they are not exactly pro-Mary.

Nothing personal of course, but they agree with us that the results aren’t flowing.

So it’s not just disgruntled fans, or courageous media people, Mary is facing shadows and doubts within the junior ranks. The next generation have written Mary off even if the powers that be cling onto him.

I couldn’t comment on hosty’s or Duffy’s own feelings on Mary but if I found out, I’d respect them enough not to say anything and put their careers in jeopardy.

Like the punks who threw carney and Pearce under the bus. The players are under enough scrutiny without being betrayed by so called mates.

Even If Mary got drunk enough to try to chat up and hump the atm machine at the pub, that would be off limits too.

Actually, the squad might improve if he became an Alco, it can’t do much worse.

Courage Dragon fans, courage.
 
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