Sack mcgregor

[18to87]

Johnston should be totally embarrassed after standing behind McGregor unconditionally while supporting his myriad of excuses led by the JDB saga and Widdop being injured.

Is there actually any evidence that he is standing behind him right now? Didn't BJ originally say that McGregor would be part of Gould's review until Gould came out and said that he wasn't?
It tells me that McGregor and BJ aren't on the same page and that McGregor is trying to connive his way towards 2020.

 

[Old Kogarah Boy 1]

Is there actually any evidence that he is standing behind him right now? Didn't BJ originally say that McGregor would be part of Gould's review until Gould came out and said that he wasn't?
It tells me that McGregor and BJ aren't on the same page and that McGregor is trying to connive his way towards 2020.

Its a Review your having when your not having a Review.

Johnston is as inadequate in his role as McGregor is in his. Throw in Gordon and you have the Trifecta.

Is it any wonder our once great club has sunk like the Titanic. It's going to take a massive effect in both money and man management to refloat the Dragons.

Hope l live to see it.

 

[fedzy]

BJ said he would be part of the review eventually, but Gus said he was not asked to review the coach. So in that time it must have been decided all the excuses really did effect the team.

2020 those same excuses will be rolled out no Gareth no JDB.

WIN are playing no the long game, here come the Wollongong Dragons with the supercoach incharge

 

[BLM01]

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I say you can't isolate 1 half of football and criticize any coach and assistant let alone Bennett and Demetriou.
A little detail - Easts were white hot and look like going back to back.

A little more detail. Bennett admits mistake with team selection and why were Souths not as fired up as their opposition.
I love Benny as a coach and what he did for us and JD for reggies but the question has to be asked about that performance. The 2nd half was just Roosters switching off as they could without fear.
Anyway I have jumped on board the Raider train to give me something to cheer outside the reggies and girls thanks to our inept coaching and player selection staff.
Except for when Adam Reynolds plays us he does seem to step up for me

 

[Willow]

I suspect Gus had no idea what he was stepping into.

I'm sure he knew exactly what he was stepping into. You said so yourself.

With respect, you should read my post again. Gould had to do what he was asked to do... otherwise there was no point to the whole exercise.

 

[Gareth67]

I find it interesting that the NRL sits quietly in the corner watching St. George being decimated by a mouldy and incompetent Board.
If they really had the best interests of the game at heart then St. George and its status in our game should be one of their priorities.
The new ownership managed to wrangle a bargain and has done NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING to improve the management and the fortunes of this great club.
In fact you could argue we are going backwards.
Johnston should be totally embarrassed after standing behind McGregor unconditionally while supporting his myriad of excuses led by the JDB saga and Widdop being injured.
Watching Hasler's patched up side win tonight just reminded me how important an inspirational coach is to any rugby league team.
Watching AFB dominating the Cronulla pack with the help of a no name Manly pack missing Tapau, Thompson and Sironen further highlights how much the JDB saga is actually no excuse at all for a professional and inspirational mentor.
The same applies for Widdop's absence compared to Turbo Tom being out with a long term injury.
It was a win built on defence and a great game plan as they exposed Cronulla's soft centre.
Finals time has come around once again and it just doesn't seem the same without the Mighty Saints in the battle.

So true Dennis , I can only shake my head in disbelief at their mismanagement of the Dragons . As you have said watching the Sea Eagles last night was a perfect example of what we are not - they played with pride and purpose , instilled in them by a coach who is not restricted by injuries to his big name players That is what the Dragons require to move ahead out of the mire that they are in .

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I'm sure he knew exactly what he was stepping into. You said so yourself.

With respect, you should read my post again. Gould had to do what he was asked to do... otherwise there was no point to the whole exercise.

Thanks @Willow and my response follows:

Indeed there doesn’t appear to be any point to the whole exercise!

I am not so sure that Gus appreciated the heightened sense of anger and anxiety of the ordinary sgi fan and member. That his involvement would be taken poorly by a large number of people unless of course he was open to examining the performance of the head coach.

Gus had the choice and opportunity not to become involved at all, he did not “ have to do what he was asked to do” in fact he should have recommended that they tender the exercise and seek recruitment specialists to propose a person who are not in any way compromised. Even then, an expert may not want to bite the hand that feeds them.

When the idea of a review was first floated at hq, someone somewhere should have insisted that the candidate should at the very least not have any meaningful connections with anybody at the club. This includes being a friend and former coach of the existing sgi coach.

Otherwise if the review not compromised by relationships, it certainly is by way of perception.

As to relationships, I was concerned when gus announced very early and that Mary was quite safe and change was not forthcoming.

The outcome so far suggests that there is and was no point to the whole exercise, when the leading figure in the debate remains in situ and untouchable.

At worst is was an attempt to get a result you want and at best, lazy and incompetent.

Given the resources thrown at retaining Mary, I believe it is the former. That the whole horrendous exercise seeks to legitimise his retention and is a pr disaster.

Once Mary has finished up, the club will recover and no one should abandon her long term.

Rightly or wrongly, Those are my thoughts at the moment.

The solution is obvious.

 

[Dennis Papaioannou]

Is there actually any evidence that he is standing behind him right now? Didn't BJ originally say that McGregor would be part of Gould's review until Gould came out and said that he wasn't?
It tells me that McGregor and BJ aren't on the same page and that McGregor is trying to connive his way towards 2020.

I was referring to the moment in time when Johnston announced McGregor's extension and tried to rationalize it for the fans.
As for now, after results fell off the cliff and we finished 15th, even Johnston can't find any reasonable reason to support McGregor any longer.
How long can he back a losing horse?

 

[Old Kogarah Boy 1]

I was referring to the moment in time when Johnston announced McGregor's extension and tried to rationalize it for the fans.
As for now, after results fell of the cliff and we finished 15th, even Johnston can't find any reasonable reason to support McGregor any longer.
How long can he back a losing horse?

McGregor can carry on forever, he's invincible.

 

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[Dennis Papaioannou]

McGregor can carry on forever, he's invincible.

The only way McGregor will relinquish his coaching position at St. George.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Flanagan can get stuffed with his alleged substance abuse issues.

And why should sgi leave its fate in the hands of the Nrl overlord fuhrer.

Greenberger was the one who took out jdb with his hopelessly unjust guilty before innocence regime.

No fault then why stand down? Is the police commissioner and the useless politicians running our game?

The Berger didn’t beat up on Barbara when he was at the dogs.Funny that?!

Ffs sgi the solution in this wretched chapter is to Take control and sack Mary. How hard can it be?!

He’s had 5 years to get used to the idea of being sacked. Give him what he secretly expects. His destiny. His place in the bright Kogarah sunlight.

 

[Old Timer]

Thanks @Willow and my response follows:

Indeed there doesn’t appear to be any point to the whole exercise!

I am not so sure that Gus appreciated the heightened sense of anger and anxiety of the ordinary sgi fan and member. That his involvement would be taken poorly by a large number of people unless of course he was open to examining the performance of the head coach.

Gus had the choice and opportunity not to become involved at all, he did not “ have to do what he was asked to do” in fact he should have recommended that they tender the exercise and seek recruitment specialists to propose a person who are not in any way compromised. Even then, an expert may not want to bite the hand that feeds them.

When the idea of a review was first floated at hq, someone somewhere should have insisted that the candidate should at the very least not have any meaningful connections with anybody at the club. This includes being a friend and former coach of the existing sgi coach.

Otherwise if the review not compromised by relationships, it certainly is by way of perception.

As to relationships, I was concerned when gus announced very early and that Mary was quite safe and change was not forthcoming.

The outcome so far suggests that there is and was no point to the whole exercise, when the leading figure in the debate remains in situ and untouchable.

At worst is was an attempt to get a result you want and at best, lazy and incompetent.

Given the resources thrown at retaining Mary, I believe it is the former. That the whole horrendous exercise seeks to legitimise his retention and is a pr disaster.

Once Mary has finished up, the club will recover and no one should abandon her long term.

Rightly or wrongly, Those are my thoughts at the moment.

The solution is obvious.

Nicely presented post.
Gould had the opportunity to say "I won't be part of a band aid review process as the fans deserve better than that" or "If they make it a complete review of everything then and only then will I be interested and the fans can rely on me being totally open and honest"
Instead he basically said "I'm the great Gus Gould and what I say privately to the coach and BOD should be accepted 100% by the fans who have no right to question anything let alone me".
To call it a review is totally ridiculous and it should only be referred to as "Gus's 5 second report in support of a mate".
f**k the club and f**k Gould.

 

[getsmarty]

Nicely presented post.
Gould had the opportunity to say "I won't be part of a band aid review process as the fans deserve better than that" or "If they make it a complete review of everything then and only then will I be interested and the fans can rely on me being totally open and honest"
Instead he basically said "I'm the great Gus Gould and what I say privately to the coach and BOD should be accepted 100% by the fans who have no right to question anything let alone me".
To call it a review is totally ridiculous and it should only be referred to as "Gus's 5 second report in support of a mate".
f**k the club and f**k Gould.

As stated by Willow, Gould knows what he is getting into.... Watch this space...more than likely forthcoming announcement of new position. Then if you join the dots it makes sense....I personally don't agree with it, but it is what it is....Club isn't interested in what the fans think....

 

[TruSaint]

As stated by willow, Gould knows what he is getting into.... Watch this space...more than likely forthcoming announcement of new position. Then if you join the dots it makes sense....I personally don't agree with it, but it is what it is....Club isn't interested in what the fans think....

Agree.

Some obscure " consultancy " role, to add to his dozen or so media contracts and so forth.

Full time role, I cant see based on $$$, but a coaches consultant will appease some. Gould did exactly what he said he would.

Cant blame him.

 

[getsmarty]

Agree.

Some obtuse " consultancy " role, to add to his dozen or so media contracts and so forth.

Full time role, I cant see based on $$$, but a coaches consultant will appease some. Gould did exactly what he said he would.

Cant blame him.

Yep....He even stated he was not reviewing the coach....because that's more than likely what he was told to do in view of future prospects.

 

[Old Timer]

As stated by Willow, Gould knows what he is getting into.... Watch this space...more than likely forthcoming announcement of new position. Then if you join the dots it makes sense....I personally don't agree with it, but it is what it is....Club isn't interested in what the fans think....

I just think that it is "ego" for Gould and "convenient" for the club.
I expect absolutely nothing too come from any of this until April / May 2021.
Then I suspect a statement will be made that Gould will take over all things "football" at St GI and the following or similar will be said by Gould.
"I was asked to have a look at the club back in 2019 and very quickly it was evident that due to existing contracts and a shortage of funds it meant I had to tell the club they had to run with what they had or face significant financial hardship if not implosion.
So we have had to get the sinking ship stabilised and unfortunately the fans have had to suffer a fair bit but the truth of the sad state of affairs would have been even tougher for them to face up to.
In the 2 years post my review I have been working behind the scenes and can advise the fans I have a great 5 year plan to get the club back to its former greatness and the first part of that plan starts today.
Everyone knows how much I love the Big Red V and I look forward to being involved."
That way his mate continues on and for sure Gould will give instructions under the table to Millward who he has in mind to recruit and at the same time not to renew.
The old "rebuilding" line will yet again mean Gould's reputation will remain in tact.
Complete snow job all round and by that time Gould will free up a rookie NRL coach like Ryles or Fitzgibbon to work under his guidance.
Nothing but pain coming our way for at least 3 years.

 

[Gareth67]

McGregor can carry on forever, he's invincible.

Are you aware that someone ( I believe the governor of the jail where dear old Ned was held ) had Ned’s family jewels made into a tobacco pouch ? Talking about rough justice - ouch !

 

[matPORTS]

Further we have more rumours doing the rounds about the potential of Shane Flannagan having his ban lifted for 2020... and should that happen he will become Dragons coach.

All these baseless rumours, innuendo and spin to keep people relevant while deflecting from the true issues at hand.

Reviews performed by independent sources and any talk of who might be the next man in the hot seat do absolutely nothing for us until the board admit their mistake and swiftly move this guy on.

If he isn't gone before the pre-season commences, I can't help but feel that this is only the beginning of our pain and frustration over the next 2-3 years coming.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I just think that it is "ego" for Gould and "convenient" for the club.
I expect absolutely nothing too come from any of this until April / May 2021.
Then I suspect a statement will be made that Gould will take over all things "football" at St GI and the following or similar will be said by Gould.
"I was asked to have a look at the club back in 2019 and very quickly it was evident that due to existing contracts and a shortage of funds it meant I had to tell the club they had to run with what they had or face significant financial hardship if not implosion.
So we have had to get the sinking ship stabilised and unfortunately the fans have had to suffer a fair bit but the truth of the sad state of affairs would have been even tougher for them to face up to.
In the 2 years post my review I have been working behind the scenes and can advise the fans I have a great 5 year plan to get the club back to its former greatness and the first part of that plan starts today.
Everyone knows how much I love the Big Red V and I look forward to being involved."
That way his mate continues on and for sure Gould will give instructions under the table to Millward who he has in mind to recruit and at the same time not to renew.
The old "rebuilding" line will yet again mean Gould's reputation will remain in tact.
Complete snow job all round and by that time Gould will free up a rookie NRL coach like Ryles or Fitzgibbon to work under his guidance.
Nothing but pain coming our way for at least 3 years.

Yes, a very well written and entirely plausible account of the future ahead.

Those who place Gould on a pedestal should not forget his treachery against the Panthers in the past, where not only did he leave them high and dry for the Roosters but he also took their elite playmaker, Freddy Fittler with him. 1990s.

What a wonderful gesture of loyalty Gus.

To be fair, they welcomed him back later after many years of infighting and for a period, he seemed to concrete over the worst of the fractures until he was “tapped on the shoulder.”

The truth about Ivan Cleary is that Gus privately disagreed with the decision to go after him but had to follow the party line ( this is all over the panthers forum).

But as we saw, he didn’t have any issues ripping into Hook savagely in public which most people found quite unnecessary, disrespectful and bordering on the absurd.

Hook is promptly picked up by high rating mainstream media on the basis that he is considered to be knowledgeable and very popular.

Now Gus deems it appropriate to get into the bed with the Mary folk, or at least, be seen to.

Back in Gus’s gambling days...no I won’t go there. Actually, he’s still gambling, this time he’s backing himself. Good luck with that Gus.

It’s a sign of the clubs internal panic and hysteria that you are picking up after the panthers these days.

The board is completely delusional