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Discussion in 'St George Illawarra Dragons' started by thebigredv, Jul 4, 2016.
The club is overdue a complete clean out - from top to bottom.
I know it'll never happen but that's the only way we'll see any type of success (consistently making the 8 and playing in GF's).
If they get rid of McWrekor and install Young, it's just more of the same. He'll stay in the job for 5-6 years, we'll make the 8 a couple of times and the other 3 years we'll finish 11-16th.
Pay him to do colouring in.
Our back five are bog average. Right now we desperately need a seasoned first grade standard winger.
With Frizell and Graham coming to the end of their time with the club, that's two very senior players coming out of the pack. In fact, it's only a matter of time before things fizzle out here and we have two guys running around not giving damn (Frizell) or just the fact that they're on tired legs and ineffective (Graham).
I see the potential in the players we have coming through, and feel with the right coach they could go on to all be successful. But I can't see how we could get away with not making some astute recruitments for 2021. We'd either be setting the next coach up for failure, or giving Mary another excuse for his black book of excuses.
Can they put him on Job Keeper. Stay calm.
This is a 2018 article but it states a 5.7 million dollar football dept. (coaching) ceiling.
Point I was trying to illustrate is that the player cap cannot be used for coaching salaries...
WINNING STARTS MONDAY
Why NRL coaches now have extra job security
Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs officials may have avoided playing this season with up to $1 million less than rival clubs for football department spending by parting ways with Des Hasler last September.
While the Bulldogs could still be forced to pay $1 million to Hasler if he succeeds in legal action against the club, the amount won't be included in the new NRL football department salary cap.
However, any coach sacked this year will have his wages or any financial settlement counted as part of the club's $5.7 million ceiling on football department expenditure, along with the cost of hiring a replacement.
In addition, clubs who exceed the football department salary cap will be liable for a 37 per cent luxury tax on the amount they have overspent.
As a result, the football department cap is set to provide NRL coaches greater job security than ever before.
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In the three years since the AFL introduced a football department salary cap, only two coaches have been sacked while under contract – Carlton's Mick Malthouse in 2015 and Brisbane's Jason Leppitsch in 2016.
Gold Coast Suns coach Rodney Eade was told at the end of last season his contract would not be renewed, while Paul Roos handed over the reins to his Melbourne assistant Simon Goodwin in 2016 after deciding to retire.
The only other changes to the AFL coaching ranks since 2015 have been Don Pyke taking over at Adelaide following the death of Phil Walsh, and John Worsfield replacing James Hird at Essendon after he resigned.
In contrast, Hasler was one of four NRL coaches shown the door last season, along with Jason Taylor (Wests Tigers), Michael Maguire (South Sydney Rabbitohs) and Neil Henry (Gold Coast Titans).
Up to five NRL clubs, including the Bulldogs, are already looking to cut football department spending to comply with the new salary cap, which includes all costs associated with the first-grade team, except player payments.
The Bulldogs and other big-spending clubs averaged about $8 million per year in football department expenditure – almost double that of the Titans.
The disparity among clubs is also demonstrated by the number of football department staff they employ, which ranges from 13 to 23 and averages 16 across the NRL.
This includes staff employed in:
With football department spending having increased by more than 12% per annum for the past five years, the new salary cap is intended to ensure financial sustainability for the clubs as well as provide an equalisation measure.
The cap was first mooted during negotiations for an annual grant to clubs valued at 130% of the salary cap for players, amid concerns the surplus would be absorbed by increased football department spending.
Club chairs and CEOs agreed to a 4% CPI increase for each of the next two seasons on the $5.7 million football department cap introduced this season.
If the cap had been set higher it would have had little impact on curbing costs, while a number of clubs – including Cronulla Sharks, Wests Tigers and the Titans – are expected to increase their spending.
The salaries of head coaches and all ancillary staff are included, as are training camps and operational costs, including gym equipment.
However, capital expenditure is exempt to encourage clubs to invest in high-performance facilities or centres of excellence.
The 37% luxury tax is likely to increase in coming seasons as breaches in the AFL attract a fine equating to 75% of the amount by which a club has exceeded the football department cap.
Unlike the AFL model, clubs voted against distributing the luxury tax imposed for breaches of the football department salary cap among rival clubs.
The move is expected to save the clubs about $10 million per season but penalties for breaches will be phased in gradually until 2020 to give the big spenders time to adjust.
But they can spend their own money ?
“ Calling all cars - er I mean Gordon’s “
Thanks for that Dragster. Very informative, I always knew big clubs spent a lot more but did not know of these changes and tax. I wonder if Roosters over spend and just pay the tax.
In the years before Gordons paid off our debt we were always given around 400k less as a payment to the debt.
Yeah George, I remember reading this article a while back.
Very interesting indeed.
I reckon you're right and some clubs have uncles with deep pockets AND long arms, unlike us atm...
The Taj needs painting inside and out
so do WIN headquarters.
Surely the bloke who painted the gym is the clubs painter of choice?
Did a super job from all reports...
Spot on true
Would the last player left lock the gates on their way out. We are the Titanic of the NRL, shuffling players around while we sink to the bottom
you will have to speak louder than that to get the Gordon's to hear you
I wonder how many saints supporters there are in Australia/NZ? If we all crowdfunded and threw in anywhere from $10-50 I wonder if that would go close to paying out the contract? More valuable than a membership.
Pressure mounts on Dragons and McGregor as Titans circle dumped Dufty
June 6, 2020 — 7.45pm
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Matt Dufty could be the latest Dragon wanting out of the embattled club, with the Gold Coast interested in acquiring him immediately if he becomes available.
The pressure is mounting on St George Illawarra coach Paul McGregor ahead of a crucial match against fellow strugglers Canterbury. Another loss would consign his team to a 0-4 start, all but ending hopes of finals football given the shortened season.
Under fire @StgeorgeDragons coach Paul McGregor knows he ‘needs to get results’ or face sack. #NRL
Already several players have indicated they want out of the joint-venture club. Representative forward Tyson Frizell rejected a three-year extension to instead join Newcastle from next season, while young gun Jason Saab has asked for an immediate release from a contract that expires at the end of 2022. Moses Suli knocked back a three-year, $2 million deal to join the club to instead take up a two-year extension worth $1 million less.
Dufty, dropped following last week’s loss to the Warriors, could also be on the move. The 24-year-old has struggled to make the fullback position his own, playing a number of games off the bench as well as in the No.1 jersey last year before being axed for Corey Norman following last week’s loss.
The Titans are keen to add depth to a back line missing injured half AJ Brimson for the season and are eyeing off Dufty and Wests Tigers utility Corey Thompson as potential options should they become available.
One potential outcome is Thompson shifting north to free up a spot at the Tigers for Saab, a switch that would result in the smallest winger in the competition being replaced with the tallest. However, Dufty is also on the radar of Gold Coast coach Justin Holbrook, who believes his speed could be just what the side requires to break its own winless streak.
Matt Dufty could become the next Dragon wanting out of the club.Credit:AAP
The Dragons have knocked back Saab’s initial release request, although the parties are expected to meet this week.
Boom rookie Saab won’t have any trouble finding a new club if he becomes a free agent. The NSW under-20s star has fielded interest from the Tigers, Bulldogs, Storm, Rabbitohs and Sharks after news broke that he wants out.
The potential departures are hardly a ringing endorsement for McGregor, whose only two wins in the past 13 games have come against wooden spooners Gold Coast. The former Blues centre is just three games into a two-year deal worth $700,000 a season, meaning the Dragons would face the prospect of a $1 million payout – and the expense of finding his replacement – if they were to sack him now.
As revealed by the Herald last week, McGregor has a Trent Barrett-style clause in his contract that gives the parties a six-month notice period should they wish to part company, but the earliest it can be triggered is January 1, 2021. In doing so, St George Illawarra could save themselves about $300,000 if he left in June of next year, but it remains to be seen if he will last that long.
A board meeting is scheduled for June 16, at which McGregor’s future will undoubtedly be the main topic of discussion. He is banking on the injection of debutant halfback Adam Clune to make a difference to a star-studded side that is failing to fire.
What sounds worse
2 out of his last 13 (wins agianst Titans)
4 out of his last 21 (wins against Dogs, Cowboys & Titans)
16 out of his last 44 (Round 9 2018)..not against any real top 8 sides at the time. His 4 wins early in 2019 was against bottom 8 of 2018 except Brisbane who we beat on a field goal and thrashed in the semi
Its like someone giving the work Experience kid a CEO position at a multi national corporation..............
4 out of 21 sounds worse, but the whole lot of course are bad stats. I wonder what they had in common?
Sunday sounds like a good sacking day to me.
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