Salary cap its own worst enemy in sorry Inglis saga

[Loudstrat]

Rubbish article.

The whole crux of the matter is that these deals were negotiated by South Sydney and then guaranteed to Inglis as part of his playing contract.

It's clear that a guarantee of a third party payment must be included in the salary cap. Everyone knows this, and has known this since the rules have been in place.

If Inglis or his manager had negotiatied and secured the deals, we wouldn't even be talking about this as he would be a South Sydney player today.

As usual, Skeepe hits the nail on the head at least once per year. Well done champ on delivering your insightful post for 2010.

Souths ballsed up. They did nothing that Cullen at Brisbane would not have done (Heather signs for $250k and THEN looks for top up money - pigs arse!!) - but Brisbane play the game and tart it p to appease the NRL. Souffs wet themselves when the chance occurred to sign Inglis and cobbled the deal together like a drunken sailor looking for a root.

The fact remains that Inglis was the greedy merkin who wanted to play outside the rules of the cap. No he is facing the consequences.

The irony is that the 3rd party deals were relaxed BECAUSE OF INGLIS and the Melbourne situation. He could pay his legal fees and reduce the burden on his next club by $110k, and maybe save a fringe first graders contract, but his rampant greed gets in the way.

Breaking rules, shafting his state, shafting a potential club as well as being a notoriously lazy player - that aint our best player. That's rubbish that a rival code is welcome to.

It's up to Inglis and Gainey to sort out his wage, but they have out priced and lied themselves out of a lucerative NRL career - and I have no sympathy at all for them.

Still the fact remains - how the hell do the Broncos get away with it?

 

[Ziggy the God]

definately correct.

The deals were conditional on him joining souths - thats the problem, and not set up by manager.

If he, tomorrow, signed with parra on a base of 350,000 or the waratahs, or whatever, those deals would not be available.

Really, so how come none of the Broncos 3PA's followed Inglis to Souths? They must all be only available if he played for the Broncos right?

So which is it?

 

[macavity]

Sean, you are usually a good read but that article was garbage.

The best sports league in the world has high profile players and high profile clubs.... and a salary cap.

This sport is full of chicken littles. Every time a fat merkin threatens to leave the code because he might be able to only afford 300,000 cheeseburgers a year everyone runs around like the sky is falling.

The problem with our game isn't the salary cap, it is that our spineless administrators have bowed to the demands of the self interested and created loopholes everywhere that are exploited and hard to police.

Raise the cap, close the loopholes, and stop jumping at shadows.

And while we are at it, we need to stop the kickbacks from clubs demanded by managers. Everyone knows it happens, no one has the cojones to stand up to it.

 

[Ziggy the God]

Sean, you are usually a good read but that article was garbage.

The best sports league in the world has high profile players and high profile clubs.... and a salary cap.

This sport is full of chicken littles. Every time a fat merkin threatens to leave the code because he might be able to only afford 300,000 cheeseburgers a year everyone runs around like the sky is falling.

The problem with our game isn't the salary cap, it is that our spineless administrators have bowed to the demands of the self interested and created loopholes everywhere that are exploited and hard to police.

Raise the cap, close the loopholes, and stop jumping at shadows.

And while we are at it, we need to stop the kickbacks from clubs demanded by managers. Everyone knows it happens, no one has the cojones to stand up to it.

If the NRL hadn't pulled out loopholes all over the place, Andrew Johns would have left the game.

What a short memory.

 

[Loudstrat]

Rubbish. Johns stayed because of a C9 contract which was not conditional on him playing for Newcastle, as he still has it after his retirement.

 

[Dingus]

Really, so how come none of the Broncos 3PA's followed Inglis to Souths? They must all be only available if he played for the Broncos right?

So which is it?

Which is it? well the broncos third party arrangements were included under the cap as specified. And secondly, its a different city.

 

[lturner]

we don't wnat to see is what happens in the english premier league where there are a top tier of clubs and eveyrone else is there to make up the numbers.

I have to laugh at people who say they don't want the NRL to be anything like the EPL.

Yep that's one busted arse competition they run over there. Crowds getting smaller every year, supporters are leaving the game in droves, hardly anyone cares anymore because it's so lop-sided.

Not quite.

Plus remember that EPL doesn't have a finals series, it's just first past the post which makes it far more likely that the best teams on paper will win the league.

They have a separate knockout competition, and plenty of smaller teams have a chance here. Even teams from the second division have reached the FA cup final in the last few years.

 

[macavity]

If the NRL hadn't pulled out loopholes all over the place, Andrew Johns would have left the game.

What a short memory.

And without a cap your club would be where the Bears are now.

Souths fans are like life-long dole bludgers who win the lottery and then whinge about paying tax.

Short memories, indeed.

 

[Ziggy the God]

Rubbish. Johns stayed because of a C9 contract which was not conditional on him playing for Newcastle, as he still has it after his retirement.

So you are saying that the NRL didn't get involved at the time to keep him in the game?

 

[macavity]

I have to laugh at people who say they don't want the NRL to be anything like the EPL.

I laugh at people who think the EPL is relevant to the NRL in any way whatsoever.

 

[skeepe]

Which is it? well the broncos third party arrangements were included under the cap as specified. And secondly, its a different city.

Correct.

What the "What about the Broncos?" Souths fans are forgetting is that the Broncos were also told that some of their third party deals must be counted under the cap, so they obviously made the same mistakes Souths did.

The difference is, the Broncos accepted the decision of the NRL and made it work, so much so that it even got to the point where they had a contract ready for Inglis to sign.

 

[drake]

What's an EPL?

 

[Ziggy the God]

Which is it? well the broncos third party arrangements were included under the cap as specified. And secondly, its a different city.

So the NRMA is only based in Qld and the FOGS state that deals are not only for the Broncos?

 

[macavity]

So you are saying that the NRL didn't get involved at the time to keep him in the game?

How is keeping the best player of all time at the club that nurtured him in any way relevant to Souths' quest to sign a mercenary?

 

[hunters]

Rubbish article.

The whole crux of the matter is that these deals were negotiated by South Sydney and then guaranteed to Inglis as part of his playing contract.

It's clear that a guarantee of a third party payment must be included in the salary cap. Everyone knows this, and has known this since the rules have been in place.

If Inglis or his manager had negotiatied and secured the deals, we wouldn't even be talking about this as he would be a South Sydney player today.

As has already been asked a couple of times, do you have any evidence of this at all because there are 4 stat decs saying that this is entirely wrong.

 

[drake]

How is keeping the best player of all time at the club that nurtured him in any way relevant to Souths' quest to sign a mercenary?

It's just a mad dash to try and find justification for the actions of 50uffs.

Andrew Johns was Newcastle at the time. Comparing Inglis joining 50uffs to Johns staying at Newcastle is just ridiculous.

 

[Pierced Soul]

I have to laugh at people who say they don't want the NRL to be anything like the EPL.

Yep that's one busted arse competition they run over there. Crowds getting smaller every year, supporters are leaving the game in droves, hardly anyone cares anymore because it's so lop-sided.
.

yep and league fans are notriously good at supporting their teams with record attendences during losing streaks. when parra have a losing streak they're lucky to get 8k, go on a winning streak they pack them in. fact is whetehr we want to admit it or not the culture in rugby league attendances doesnt match that of other codes where some teams will ahve a big crowd no matter who they play or the teams form.

 

[BunniesMan]

As has already been asked a couple of times, do you have any evidence of this at all because there are 4 stat decs saying that this is entirely wrong.

As well as the stat decs, just about everything that has been said in the media since by the sponsors. The idiots have no evidence, they'll just say "because the NRL said so", because the NRL has a record of managing the game wisely and doing the right thing for the game.

 

[drake]

Is this the thread where we continue laughing at 50uffs apologists now that the 'Greg Inglis headed to South Sydney - no players to be shed' http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=373056 thread is closed?

 

[Loudstrat]

So we'll squash the entire NRL into a 400km corridor and play in sh*t weather just so we can be like the EPL.

How is Heather only worth $250k?