Salary Cap

[BennyBoy]

^^ Nuff said

 

[Gronk]

No, it doesn't say that. It says that we have to submit to an independent review. It doesn't say that we necessarily have to accept every recommendation of that review. Presumably we would be given the opportunity to respond to the recommendations of such a review.

From SMH

While the Eels hierarchy strongly protested the NRL ultimatum that the club undertake an independent review of its governance and organisational capability, and implement the changes recommended or start next season on minus four competition points, they have been left with no alternative but to comply.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...reform-at-parramatta-eels-20150521-gh6sib.htm

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

From SMH



http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...reform-at-parramatta-eels-20150521-gh6sib.htm

Fair enough....link doesn't work by the way (just generates an error).....but Smith did not say that on Thursday.

Do you have a link to any quote from the NRL?

EDIT: Don't worry this one seems to have the same content:

http://www.nrl.com/eels-fined-for-salary-cap-breaches/tabid/10874/newsid/86425/default.aspx

 

[Bigfella]

How can the club control when the NRL holds a presser about the fine. :roll:

Clearly the NRL are actually happy with Sharpe's board and that's precisely why they strategically delayed all this until after the election. My take: Dave Smith knew that it would only cause more dramas of Fitzy or Spags got anywhere near the joint again.

Lol. The massive fine, threat to deduct points, statement that the failure to follow their remedial action was the reason for the size of the fine and perceived desire to put nrl directors on our board is a ringing endorsement.

 

[Gronk]

Lol. The massive fine, threat to deduct points, statement that the failure to follow their remedial action was the reason for the size of the fine and perceived desire to put nrl directors on our board is a ringing endorsement.

So it was coincidence that they released this 10 days after the election, after the NRL and club had been working through the situation regarding the breached 2014 cap all year ?

Got it.

 

[Fearless Freeman]

If you read what Sharpie had to say, he said that he was more than happy to get PriceWaterhouseCoopers in to provide the NRL with confidence that things are now being managed well.

What Sharp objects to (and I don't blame him) is that we have to bend over and change our operation in any way that the NRL sees fit which may include the NRL planting their own people on our board.

No business owner would allow it and why should we ? Comply with cap rules is one thing, but to agree to unknown changes or you get docked 4 points is a joke.

You mentioned Politis - he would never allow the NRL to tell him how to run the shop, let alone allow an NRL snitch on the Board.

Well said Gonk. Sharpie is only doing his job. The "we won't be bullied" crap is the way newspapers put their drama on things to keep their agenda (selling papers) rolling on

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Well said Gonk. Sharpie is only doing his job. The "we won't be bullied" crap is the way newspapers put their drama on things to keep their agenda (selling papers) rolling on

No, it is what Sharpie is directly quoted as saying.

"We're prepared to fight for our belief and our brand. I don't think we should be bullied for what's happened here," Sharp said on Friday night.

And it is a dumb way of going about it (in the first instance at least).

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/parramatta-eels/parramatta-chairman-steve-sharp-says-eels-wont-be-bullied-into-changes-by-nrl-20150522-gh7ux3.html

 

[Kornstar]

No, it is what Sharpie is directly quoted as saying.

"We're prepared to fight for our belief and our brand. I don't think we should be bullied for what's happened here," Sharp said on Friday night.

And it is a dumb way of going about it (in the first instance at least).

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/parramatta-eels/parramatta-chairman-steve-sharp-says-eels-wont-be-bullied-into-changes-by-nrl-20150522-gh7ux3.html

We have something in common with the NRL though, we both run our relevant organisations like amateurs..........

 

[Delboy]

I can see there a number of posters who just see the club as a basket case. I don't know Steve Sharp well, But have had s conversation with him and also the coach . I tend to believe their comments about the screaming pile of s**t, that was the salary cap and player contracts left behind for 2014//2015

I think they have done a great job on a couple of fronts, getting the place in order for 2016 while fighting the emperor and others who sought to bring the club down.

I not happy with the results, but we can see that it is being turned around. Sticky signed Loko to that crazy contract as he did a number of players, and jumped leaving others to suffer the consequences. All those that believe someone like DFwould fare better are delusional, but for the Superleague war and a board voting Against him once only ( he wanted to reappoint Hilditch not hire Brian Smith, and guess who hired Hagan without board approval and nixing JT.

We need to get behind Sharp who is passionate for the club and success,and applaud his stance against the NRL inner city factionalism and we will see a brighter future.

I am in my sixties so dont want to be too patient but am more than willing to let Sharp have time

By the way, traffic here in Italy is crazy, you see people on bikes and scooters driving and texting, amazing

 

[The Phelan Folly]

No, it is what Sharpie is directly quoted as saying.

"We're prepared to fight for our belief and our brand. I don't think we should be bullied for what's happened here," Sharp said on Friday night.

And it is a dumb way of going about it (in the first instance at least).

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/parramatta-eels/parramatta-chairman-steve-sharp-says-eels-wont-be-bullied-into-changes-by-nrl-20150522-gh7ux3.html

How is it dumb? Regardless the situation, there is always room for recourse. Fire off & in every direction as a first defense.

 

[insert.pause]

You know two of the most respected and INFLUENTIAL club chairmen in the NRL are Politis and Dibbs and you just never hear anything from them. Why are ours, past and present, always running their mouths in the media?

Anyway, If D Smith is so satisfied with the current admin as many claim why is the NRL insisting on an independent review? And why is Sharp resisting the review? If everything is now under control our board should welcome it as independent proof our club is now being well run and finally put an end to all this political shit.

They are running their mouths off constantly in the media they just don't put their names to any of it.

 

[insert.pause]

A governance review may conclude that the board should have independent directors, that doesn't mean NRL directors. If sharp was genuine in his attempts to get Bill Moss on the board I would have thought the review gives him the perfect opportunity to get it through. Instead of looking at the review as instantly something negative and taking a hostile position to it, Sharp should see it as a way to make real long lasting change that could solidify his board for the long term and bring the club stability. All clubs have had flash points in their history that they can look back on as defining their future, the club needs to be more mature about it IMO.

 

[insert.pause]

How can the club control when the NRL holds a presser about the fine. :roll:

Clearly the NRL are actually happy with Sharpe's board and that's precisely why they strategically delayed all this until after the election. My take: Dave Smith knew that it would only cause more dramas of Fitzy or Spags got anywhere near the joint again.

I think it was more about getting it buried in the origin news cycle a bit, not as many column inches to spare.

 

[Delboy]

A governance review may conclude that the board should have independent directors, that doesn't mean NRL directors. If sharp was genuine in his attempts to get Bill Moss on the board I would have thought the review gives him the perfect opportunity to get it through. Instead of looking at the review as instantly something negative and taking a hostile position to it, Sharp should see it as a way to make real long lasting change that could solidify his board for the long term and bring the club stability. All clubs have had flash points in their history that they can look back on as defining their future, the club needs to be more mature about it IMO.

Strangely enough, it was yesterday's hero DF, who brought the motion to disallow Moss

Of course he always had the good of the club at heart, NOT , he is difficult to like

 

[Bigfella]

I can see there a number of posters who just see the club as a basket case. I don't know Steve Sharp well, But have had s conversation with him and also the coach . I tend to believe their comments about the screaming pile of s**t, that was the salary cap and player contracts left behind for 2014//2015

I think they have done a great job on a couple of fronts, getting the place in order for 2016 while fighting the emperor and others who sought to bring the club down.

I not happy with the results, but we can see that it is being turned around. Sticky signed Loko to that crazy contract as he did a number of players, and jumped leaving others to suffer the consequences. All those that believe someone like DFwould fare better are delusional, but for the Superleague war and a board voting Against him once only ( he wanted to reappoint Hilditch not hire Brian Smith, and guess who hired Hagan without board approval and nixing JT.

We need to get behind Sharp who is passionate for the club and success,and applaud his stance against the NRL inner city factionalism and we will see a brighter future.

I am in my sixties so dont want to be too patient but am more than willing to let Sharp have time

By the way, traffic here in Italy is crazy, you see people on bikes and scooters driving and texting, amazing

Nothing personal but I well over listening to people on these forums who support whichever of the factions who says hello to them or gives them some information.

I can't see much evidence of things being turned around.

We don't have a fullback. That's a complete f**king disaster.

Our wingers and centres are absolutely bog average, except for semi and hoppa, who both have some limitations.

Yes we have Scott and Foran coming next year, but our prop rotation would have to be the worst in the comp by a very very long way.

We have a lot of "depth" in the back row but really most of them are playing well below their reputations on this site.

The salary cap problems are obvious. The coach has been unimpressive this year, admittedly in many respects probably to do with the salary cap issues.

The CEO and chairman make misleading public statements quite regularly for political spin. They have both given interviews in the last fifteen months about how much salary cap space we had. Just lies really. The elections are an absolute circus of three separate and spectacularly unimpressive factions.

I don't see much improvement in the playing group and the lower grades are all struggling. The boom junior players moera Goodall matterson Davis have all gone backwards.

I think people are so relieved to have seen off both spagnolo and ferguson that they have put pumpkins on their heads and desperately want to believe that everything is rosy.

I'm not death riding us. I don't care who runs the club. I don't have a foot in any camp.

But our team does the same thing every week. We are still mentally weak. We lose games we should win. We lose games in the same old way.

I do think we showed ticker the last few weeks. But we just lacked the self belief in the important moments and mental weakness. If that wasn't happening I might be convinced about things being turned around.

We are favourites for another spoon mate. I don't see much in the way of change, except for the hope that Scott and Foran can make a spectacular difference and watmough can lift.

f**k we need a fullback though.

 

[parra-matters]

I don't blame anyone at the club for not having a fullback, our international class fullback who tied for the dally m last season walked out in September last year, 5 weeks before preseason and about 3-4 months after anyone fullback even class is his skill set was already locked into contracts for 2015. All the club could of done was force him to finish his contract which would have all ended up in tears anyway.
I'm sure the said fullback didn't wake up on a September morning and decide he was going to ditch his contract and go try a competely different sport on the other side of the world. He would have know months earlier and really should have told the club so they could make arrangements for 2015. He carried on about how loyal he was but really in my book it was a dog act to do to the club that made him and was paying packet loads of money. And if the club knew earlier then they are complete idiots for not going in to the market with his money and buying a good full back and not relay on a part time one.

 

[Bigfella]

Mate we don't have one for next season either.

There's no point blaming Hayne.

Once he goes surely the club needed some sort of plan.

If avenger's mail is right, our plan is to hope he comes back.

And by the way, if he had played this year presumably our salary cap would be completely and utterly f**ked.

The bitching at Hayne is completely useless. Unless you just accept that the whole season was a right off because he left.

Not good enough. Other better run clubs signed gun fullbacks for this year - Brett Morris, Ben barba, and Brisbane signed about 8 of them.

 

[El Diablo]

he won't come come back here as the NRL would block the move and Dave Smith will pay him to go to the Roosters

 

[BennyBoy]

Strangely enough, it was yesterday's hero DF, who brought the motion to disallow Moss

Of course he always had the good of the club at heart, NOT , he is difficult to like

Which is why no one likes him and why he will NEVER get back into Parra.

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...l-to-fix-salary-cap-mess-20150523-gh83u6.html

Parramatta Eels chief Scott Seward urges NRL to look to NFL to fix salary cap mess

Date
May 23, 2015 - 10:00PM

Adrian Proszenko
Chief Rugby League Reporter

Parramatta CEO Scott Seward has urged the NRL to consider NFL-style trade windows and disabled lists to prevent salary cap breaches and create smoother pathways for players into the top grade.

The Eels have indicated they will contest some of the cap breaches that resulted in a $525,000 fine and the prospect of starting next season four points adrift of their rivals. Directors emerged from a marathon board meeting on Friday night in the belief the sanction was harsh given the club brought the majority of the issues to the attention of head office.

Seward hoped the dramas would spark a fresh review of the salary cap, believing the constraints of the second-tier system made it almost impossible to demote or promote players based on form. "It limits the coach's ability to pick a side on form because you can't pick outside the top 25 for anything but fitness," Seward explained. "It's a cutthroat business, coaches live and die by their results, and a tough position for everyone to be placed in. It's as tough for clubs as the salary cap auditor, who has to abide by black-and-white rules. He does a fantastic job, but can you imagine getting phone calls from 16 coaches every week?

"Unfortunately, they are the rules. You can only use the second tier if you have suspended or injured players unavailable or there are disciplinary issues. You can't pick someone from the second tier if there is someone in that position fit and available. If a player is out of form, it's limiting on the clubs to make an appropriate change. If you use us as an example, we're a club trying to make as much change to our team as possible to try to get a breakthrough win. But everyone knows we won't risk a salary cap issue."

Second-tier salary cap pressures have put severe constraints on coach Brad Arthur's ability to select sides, such as limiting the use of outside back Bureta Faraimo, while a special exemption was required to promote halfback Luke Kelly. Other clubs are also frustrated the cap is effectively blocking the pathway for emerging talent, best evidenced by Penrith being prevented from selecting Matt Moylan in first grade several years ago.

While some powerbrokers are agitating for a single salary cap that covers the NRL, NSW Cup and NYC sides, Seward believed the answer could be following the lead of top overseas sporting competitions. "I would like to see things brought in such as the injured reserve," Seward said. "To have the ability to say, 'This player is injured for two weeks, put him on the disabled or injured reserves list.' Then you can't pick that player for, say, 21 days and in that time you've got some more flexibility in what you do. I'd also like to see a trade period. That if you do have a player you've said you won't give an opportunity to next season, then they have an opportunity to move now. That's fair on the player and on the club and potentially fair on another club who needs that position to help them. It is quite common in the NFL and baseball, as is a draft. We need to look at a holistic approach as a game.

"We have a requirement for a fullback right now. It would be great to be able to do a trade with another club to try and make that work for us as opposed to creating antagonism with head office trying to get approval for second-tiers to make that work.

"That's not fair on the club, the salary cap auditor and the relationship between us. Something needs to happen. Out of the negative that has happened this week, we need to get a positive out of it."