Salary Cap

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

And of course there are none. Our own governance review recommended it. We fought tooth and nail to have these people do it and it was borderline conflict of interest in the first place.

This is the bit that is most curious. We fought the NRL to allow us to have PWC do the review, the NRL relented, and now we come across as not liking the answer that PWC gave us.

 

[El Diablo]

I don't know the ins and outs of other boards election processes but I do know that our setup is unique in that we have waring factions all trying to get in every 3 years as rival tickets. And if/when they do get in they end up with majority of control of the board.

Why do you think guys who run as independents at out leagues club elections have far less chance of getting in than guys on tickets? With the model the NRL want it would be more like independents running for the board, which is better than a whole group (ticket) unseating the board gaining control

but if this is so bloody fantastic then why doesn't the board at the ARLC operate that way?

those arse clowns are more dysfunctional than our board. they seem to have staff members coming and going every bloody week

they operated at a loss and also went to early on a TV deal

and they don't even have a f**king CEO!!!!!

and these jokers are trying to tell Parra how to best run things :crazy:

 

[Bigfella]

but if this is so bloody fantastic then why doesn't the board at the ARLC operate that way?

those arse clowns are more dysfunctional than our board. they seem to have staff members coming and going every bloody week

they operated at a loss and also went to early on a TV deal

and they don't even have a f**king CEO!!!!!

and these jokers are trying to tell Parra how to best run things :crazy:

This is just pointless meaningless rambling.

Like being charged with dui then walking into court and telling the magistrate he should look at his own drinking habits

 

[Noise]

but if this is so bloody fantastic then why doesn't the board at the ARLC operate that way?

those arse clowns are more dysfunctional than our board. they seem to have staff members coming and going every bloody week

they operated at a loss and also went to early on a TV deal

and they don't even have a f**king CEO!!!!!

and these jokers are trying to tell Parra how to best run things :crazy:

Is the ARLC a registered club? And if they aren't why would they be subject to elections that comply with the registered clubs act? And have they broken any rules like we did in regards to a massive breach of the salary cap? And do they have waring factions trying to gain control every 2 years? I'm not sure how your comparison is relevant?

And it's not the NRL who made these recommendations. It's PWC who made them, a successful, professional company who specialise in audits. The company we so desperately wanted to complete the audit

 

[Bigfella]

This is the bit that is most curious. We fought the NRL to allow us to have PWC do the review, the NRL relented, and now we come across as not liking the answer that PWC gave us.

I still think the bit that is most amazing is that the fans are not only copping it, they are actually rationalising it to justify the approach.

No wonder people have got away with blue murder in this joint.

 

[Gronk]

There is a very surprising level of support in here for the position where we are risking four points.

There seem to be two arguments being trotted out. These are appallingly weak. I believe that people on here get conned into following the majority of the harsher critics.

The two apparently hopeless arguments for are:

1. That we shouldn't kowtow to the control freaks at the nrl.

Hmmmm - they run the game. They are the regulator. You play by the rules.

And in any case, their decision comes after countless f**kups. They are giving us every chanc in the world to avoid it.

2. Annual elections won't stop factionalism.

Maybe it won't. I think it will , and it's a common technique used in public boards and particularly ones with important issues of public policy or which could attract corruption. I think there's a good analogy with a footy club which handles millions of dollars and attracts massive public support.

But it sure as shit won't make it worse.

And there's the rub. No one has presented a single point to suggest there is some
Actual disadvantage to the proposal which makes it so unpalatable that it is worth losing two points over.

And of course there are none. Our own governance review recommended it. We fought tooth and nail to have these people do it and it was borderline conflict of interest in the first place.

So the overwhelming inference left is that the current board and chairman don't want to implement the change because they think it will hurt their chances of retaining their faction in future.

And more importantly, that they are prepared to risk four premiership points - for a team whose best season in ten years saw us scrape in to eighth spot - to do so.

Some of you people should seriously look at how you have been conned into thinking this is defensible.

So how are either of those two issues even CLOSE to justifying risking four
Points?

No, there's three people actually. Tracy Grimshaw could do with you as a staff writer.

 

[strider]

Our club is a basketcase largely due to the squabbling of high profile fans who wanna run things their way and have some pent up dislike of the other merkins who oppose them.

This comes to the surface every so often when there are elections. It would be nice to believe it doesnt affect our onfield performances but i think its pretty niave to believe that.

Maybe the NRL doesnt give a shit about that but anyone who cares about the club does.

TBH Im not gonna die either way ... In my opinion the same shit will continue with the self interested imbeciles who have controlled the club trying to get back in whether it is 1 or 2 yrs each election. The only thing that will stop it is merkins pissing off or dying. I just dont think having the club in the media about off field shit more often will help us to succeed.

But hopefully onfield success is coming .... is it a coincidence that the most optimistic we've been coming into a season coincides with the longest period of stability at board level in the last decade? I dont think flip flopping board members will help.

 

[strider]

And yeah i don't think any f**ker wants to lose 4 points.

 

[Kornstar]

Our club is a basketcase largely due to the squabbling of high profile fans who wanna run things their way and have some pent up dislike of the other merkins who oppose them.

This comes to the surface every so often when there are elections. It would be nice to believe it doesnt affect our onfield performances but i think its pretty niave to believe that.

Maybe the NRL doesnt give a shit about that but anyone who cares about the club does.

TBH Im not gonna die either way ... In my opinion the same shit will continue with the self interested imbeciles who have controlled the club trying to get back in whether it is 1 or 2 yrs each election. The only thing that will stop it is merkins pissing off or dying. I just dont think having the club in the media about off field shit more often will help us to succeed.

But hopefully onfield success is coming .... is it a coincidence that the most optimistic we've been coming into a season coincides with the longest period of stability at board level in the last decade? I dont think flip flopping board members will help.

Coaching level as well. BA is now the longest serving coach since Smith left.

 

[Gronk]

Our club is a basketcase largely due to the squabbling of high profile fans who wanna run things their way and have some pent up dislike of the other merkins who oppose them.

This comes to the surface every so often when there are elections. It would be nice to believe it doesnt affect our onfield performances but i think its pretty niave to believe that.

Maybe the NRL doesnt give a shit about that but anyone who cares about the club does.

TBH Im not gonna die either way ... In my opinion the same shit will continue with the self interested imbeciles who have controlled the club trying to get back in whether it is 1 or 2 yrs each election. The only thing that will stop it is merkins pissing off or dying. I just dont think having the club in the media about off field shit more often will help us to succeed.

But hopefully onfield success is coming .... is it a coincidence that the most optimistic we've been coming into a season coincides with the longest period of stability at board level in the last decade? I dont think flip flopping board members will help.

+ 1. It will be same same until Spags & Fitzy cease with their megalomania.

 

[Noise]

Our club is a basketcase largely due to the squabbling of high profile fans who wanna run things their way and have some pent up dislike of the other merkins who oppose them.

This comes to the surface every so often when there are elections. It would be nice to believe it doesnt affect our onfield performances but i think its pretty niave to believe that.

Maybe the NRL doesnt give a shit about that but anyone who cares about the club does.

TBH Im not gonna die either way ... In my opinion the same shit will continue with the self interested imbeciles who have controlled the club trying to get back in whether it is 1 or 2 yrs each election. The only thing that will stop it is merkins pissing off or dying. I just dont think having the club in the media about off field shit more often will help us to succeed.

But hopefully onfield success is coming .... is it a coincidence that the most optimistic we've been coming into a season coincides with the longest period of stability at board level in the last decade? I dont think flip flopping board members will help.

I'd argue the most optimistic was the off season between 09/10 and there wasn't much board stability then. But this seasonis probably 2nd to that. And isn't it disappointing that our optimism for a successful season may be derailed by starting on -4 through the board refusing to take action to avoid the points penalty.

 

[Noise]

And yeah i don't think any f**ker wants to lose 4 points.

If it came to a decision between losing 4 points or changing the election process what would you choose?

 

[phantom eel]

This is just pointless meaningless rambling.

Like being charged with dui then walking into court and telling the magistrate he should look at his own drinking habits

Agreed, all of El D's 5 point are irrelevant to our situation.

Bigfella's post #1499 is the best summary of the issue - there is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't take this opportunity to:
a) improve our club's governance
b) avoid the -4 point salary cap breach penalty
c) meet the NRL's modern expectations of its member clubs in both the above regards

 

[Gronk]

If it came to a decision between losing 4 points or changing the election process what would you choose?

More information. Pros & cons etc.

Are the board pushing back for legit reasons or are they only self serving ?

 

[strider]

If it came to a decision between losing 4 points or changing the election process what would you choose?

change the election process .... cos as I said the f**kwits will be f**kwits either way

BUT I would have substantial fears yearly rumblings will be a constant distraction

 

[Noise]

change the election process .... cos as I said the f**kwits will be f**kwits either way

BUT I would have substantial fears yearly rumblings will be a constant distraction

I was going to include something along those lines in my other post...

 

[strider]

Agreed, all of El D's 5 point are irrelevant to our situation.

Bigfella's post #1499 is the best summary of the issue - there is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't take this opportunity to:
a) improve our club's governance
b) avoid the -4 point salary cap breach penalty
c) meet the NRL's modern expectations of its member clubs in both the above regards

a) who the f**k has any idea that will be the result
b) yep
c) wtf is this?


so yeah we will avoid -4 points

 

[Noise]

More information. Pros & cons etc.

Are the board pushing back for legit reasons or are they only self serving ?

if they are doing that you would think they would communicate why with the members for support. Unfortunately transparency isnt high on the priority list

 

[strider]

I was going to include something along those lines in my other post...

but my point in all this being, I am perfectly happy with our management to oppose it to the last minute if they truly believe its not in the club's best interests

was it a forgone conclusion going into the review that EVERY single point made by it was to be adhered to? ..... seriously? as if PWC merkin know every f**kin thing - as if they might not get something a bit wrong ...... i'm sure some f**ker who's worked for PWC has made a boo-boo at some point in the company's existence

 

[phantom eel]

a) who the f**k has any idea that will be the result
b) yep
c) wtf is this?


so yeah we will avoid -4 points

a) the independent review making the recommendations, conducted by a mob that we fought the NRL to select in order to do the review - that and general knowledge of modern corporate governance structures (as opposed to local chook raffle governance structures)

c) the NRL expects its members to have modern govenance stuctures that keep a club running smoothly (hence the requiremnt for the review), and expects us to keep our cap in order - making the entity that runs the competition/boss happy, is a smart thing for the club to do.

So yeah we will avoid -4 points, have a recognisably better governance structure (otherwise PWC wouldn't have put their name to it), and we will keep the NRL happy with us moving forward - all important outcomes.

Versus... anti-NRL whinge because, I don't really know? :sarcasm: