Sam Burgess returns to South Sydney

[Rabbits20]

There is no uproar. Souffs would be over the cap if the NRL registered the contract for Burgess, it is as simple as that.

It's perplexing because it goes against everything truth tellers like you and alien told us. If the likes of you pair are wrong on a topic you know so intrinsically well then who can we trust?

I've said McQueen and Grant should be gotten rid of.

Get your facts right!!!!!!

Anyway the NRL could have registered the contract it's only a rumour that they haven't.

You can't believe everything the media say. But it looks like you do when it comes to Souths.

 

[kbw]

You are trying to make 1+1=3

Players move because the club they are at does not value them as much as the club they are going to.

The salary cap is about total spend on players in any given year. It has nothing at all to do with trying to encourage players to change clubs or to choose one club over another.

It has a hell of a lot to do with "rich" clubs not having all the best players.
It was alot more to do with creating a level playing field than keeping clubs financially responsible, thats more of a secondary function

 

[bottle]

idiots complain about the salary cap then complain that some clubs have the best players. !!!

salary cap is meant to even the comp and move players around.

Salary cap is designed to prevent clubs sending themselves broke. An 'evened out' comp is an ancillary outcome.

 

[alien]

Salary cap is designed to prevent clubs sending themselves broke.

Wow, you must have an inside source, like Wikipedia or something.
The cap is only a matter of public record clown.
Stick to being a f**ktard, don't try and do info. You'll just embarrass yourself more. :lol:

 

[Parra]

It has a hell of a lot to do with "rich" clubs not having all the best players.

And you think that is what is happening now?

 

[Iafeta]

Clearly, yes. Every team since 2000 I believe except the Tits and Peppys have been to the GF. Look what's happening now, teams wanted to squeeze Farah in for a bargain deal but were stopped, and Souffs have to decimate their squad to bring in a marquee. You can't just load up your team and hold them, the cap serves to create market forces which push top players around to the lesser clubs.

Of course, you have clubs like the Warriors, Eels, Tits, Knights who have been run like basket cases and due to this they don't get to take advantage of the salary cap forces. It really highlights get your back office firm and be patient, success will eventually come.

 

[Valheru]

I've said McQueen and Grant should be gotten rid of.

Get your facts right!!!!!!

Anyway the NRL could have registered the contract it's only a rumour that they haven't.

You can't believe everything the media say. But it looks like you do when it comes to Souths.

:lol:

This, coming from you, who takes every positive article about souffs as gospel but refutes every negative one.

 

[Jubileeboy]

From what I have been told, cap issues come into play for both clubs regarding McQueen. Souths more so with overspending and being well over the cap, and Panthers are right on the cusp (not so much an issue but tight). The difference between McQueen going to Penrith is almost negligible. However, Souths can't afford to pay him anything to leave and Penrith can't afford to up their offer.
This would exclude any prior allocated funds from Penrith, i.e. perhaps Grevsmuhl (sp) is already a done deal but waiting on a release from Souths?

 

[Rabbits20]

:lol:

This, coming from you, who takes every positive article about souffs as gospel but refutes every negative one.

Wrong!!!!!!!!

You obviously don't read my posts.

Blinded by the truth you are:lol::lol:

 

[Rabbits20]

From what I have been told, cap issues come into play for both clubs regarding McQueen. Souths more so with overspending and being well over the cap, and Panthers are right on the cusp (not so much an issue but tight). The difference between McQueen going to Penrith is almost negligible. However, Souths can't afford to pay him anything to leave and Penrith can't afford to up their offer.
This would exclude any prior allocated funds from Penrith, i.e. perhaps Grevsmuhl (sp) is already a done deal but waiting on a release from Souths?

GI 800k
Sam 600k I reckon (then lots of TPA's)
AJ 250-300k
Auva'a 350k
Goodwin 220-250k
Oldfield 150k
Gray 250k
George 450k (then TPA's)
Tom 450k (then TPA's)
Reynolds 500k
Keary 500k
McQueen 300k (shopping him around but will have to pay part of contract)
Grant 350k (could be going too)

Cook cheap
McInnes cheap
Carter cheap
Grevsmuhl??????
Sutton cheap (been with Souths so long so costs us pretty much nothing)
Tyrrell cheap
Turner cheap
Clark cheap
Brown cheap
C. Walker cheap


Souths are just a bit over. Greenberg has said Souths problem can be fixed quite easily too.

Get rid of McQueen and Grant and we will be right.

We have juniors ready to step up (80k they will get) in Musgrove, Olive, Gosiewski, Whitelaw, Simone.

We also have B. Gray, H. Hunt, Crichton, Goolagong, Murray and Saumamao.

It's good talent coming through.

Souths will be allright jubileeboy.

Isn't the cap 6.8 million in 2016?

Souths probably need to free 200-250k.

 

[Maximus]

Get rid of McQueen and Grant and we will be right.

And who is going to take their contracts on? As you said, they've both been ordinary, so why would any NRL team want to take on their contracts to help Souths? English clubs might take them, but then you have to convince the players to go to England.

Souths fans like to tell us how well run their club is, but they've gone about this in the most moronic way possible. Announce to the world that you've signed a player you know will put you over the cap, and then try to palm off all your overpaid garbage to everyone else to help get under. Only problem is that now everyone knows you need help clearing space, so the amount they offer to contribute will just decrease as time goes on. That's Tigers and Eels level of shit management.

 

[bottle]

Wow, you must have an inside source, like Wikipedia or something.
The cap is only a matter of public record clown.
Stick to being a f**ktard, don't try and do info. You'll just embarrass yourself more. :lol:

Aww, someone's cut.
The fact that you don't understand the difference inherent in the posts speaks volumes.

 

[Nice Beaver]

Wow, you must have an inside source, like Wikipedia or something.
The cap is only a matter of public record clown.
Stick to being a f**ktard, don't try and do info. You'll just embarrass yourself more. :lol:

Oops, you forgot which one of your profiles types with punctuation!

you usually type a sentence with no capitals. like this.

 

[Rabbits20]

And who is going to take their contracts on? As you said, they've both been ordinary, so why would any NRL team want to take on their contracts to help Souths? English clubs might take them, but then you have to convince the players to go to England.

Souths fans like to tell us how well run their club is, but they've gone about this in the most moronic way possible. Announce to the world that you've signed a player you know will put you over the cap, and then try to palm off all your overpaid garbage to everyone else to help get under. Only problem is that now everyone knows you need help clearing space, so the amount they offer to contribute will just decrease as time goes on. That's Tigers and Eels level of shit management.

I have to agree it's been dealt with quite badly. It's a mess tbh with you.

Penrith want Grevsmuhl for 2016 so Souths will have to let him go I reckon.

3-4 young guys can come into our top 25 on the minimum wage.

 

[Different kind of Rabbit]

Christ you guys are a bunch of clowns who know f**k all about anything. How else were Souths meant to have managed it? Sam is one of the most sought after players in the game. When he becomes available, you move quickly and use whatever advantage you have to sign him.

Should Souths have said "sorry Sam, we need a month or two to balance our cap before we can fit you in."?

Just about every Rugby League and Union club on the planet would want Sam on their books. You just get it done and clean up the mess it creates later. Souths have handled this in exactly the correct manner.

 

[DiegoNT]

If we are losing 2 quality players in walker and grevsmuhl it's not been worth it. That's on top of losing Stewart and Luke as well with no quality players coming in.
Depth is going to be a huge problem for Souths next year, we will already be fielding the weakest 3 quarter line in the nrl (Johnstone, goodwin, auva'a, oldfield). We've lost luke and off the 2 guys replacing him, 1 is still young and raw (mcinnes) and 1 is a reserve grader (cook, I know he had a handful of good games at the end of the year, but if a guy turning 25 has only played 9 nrl games all up it tells you something). Sam always misses a few games with injury and suspension every year, and with absolutely no depth there will be no one to cover for when he is gone. Sam is a great forward, and gets through a mountain of work, but I think people have been overstating his impact. He isn't the guy who'll win you the tight games in a way that guys like Thurston, cronk, dce or Johnson will, he is more comparable to guys like matt scott and jesse bromwich.
In hindsight it might of been better to let sam have a season with leeds rhinos so we had a year to find a way to fit sam into the team. That way when sam came back he was coming into a competive team. Unfortunately it looks like we will struggle for a few years to try fit him in

 

[Maximus]

Christ you guys are a bunch of clowns who know f**k all about anything. How else were Souths meant to have managed it? Sam is one of the most sought after players in the game. When he becomes available, you move quickly and use whatever advantage you have to sign him.

Should Souths have said "sorry Sam, we need a month or two to balance our cap before we can fit you in."?

Just about every Rugby League and Union club on the planet would want Sam on their books. You just get it done and clean up the mess it creates later. Souths have handled this in exactly the correct manner.

Ah how about not announcing to the world that you've signed him the moment he steps on the plane when you know you don't have the cap space? Sign him and ask to hold off an announcement until you can make the space. If he really wants to sign, I'm sure that is not an unreasonable request. Maybe some shit club might take your shit players off your hands if they don't know why you are trying to move them on.

As it stands the shit clubs (or clubs with available money) won't take garbage like Mcqueen and Grant because they know Souths have 2 options:

1. Offer up better players
2. Concede they can't fit Burgess in.

Souths have no leverage because of the way they have handled it. Other clubs know if they just hold off, better players will come along, or even Burgess himself.

 

[Pommy]

Ah how about not announcing to the world that you've signed him the moment he steps on the plane when you know you don't have the cap space? Sign him and ask to hold off an announcement until you can make the space. If he really wants to sign, I'm sure that is not an unreasonable request. Maybe some shit club might take your shit players off your hands if they don't know why you are trying to move them on.

As it stands the shit clubs (or clubs with available money) won't take garbage like Mcqueen and Grant because they know Souths have 2 options:

1. Offer up better players
2. Concede they can't fit Burgess in.

Souths have no leverage because of the way they have handled it. Other clubs know if they just hold off, better players will come along, or even Burgess himself.

What you are saying sounds totally ideal but in the real world that was never going to be the case.
Things had come to a head at Bath. Bath were not going to play a player who was not only not committed to the club but not even to the sport. So that would leave Burgess not playing for Bath. Bath had been paid the compensation and duly went out and bought a replacement. How is any of this explained unless he had been signed by a League side? It would have created a media frenzy in the UK and in Australia and I doubt Bath would have been interested in trying to cover for either Burgess or Souths whilst they are mid season. Simply there was no other way of handling this in the real world.

 

[Different kind of Rabbit]

Ah how about not announcing to the world that you've signed him the moment he steps on the plane when you know you don't have the cap space? Sign him and ask to hold off an announcement until you can make the space. If he really wants to sign, I'm sure that is not an unreasonable request. Maybe some shit club might take your shit players off your hands if they don't know why you are trying to move them on.

As it stands the shit clubs (or clubs with available money) won't take garbage like Mcqueen and Grant because they know Souths have 2 options:

1. Offer up better players
2. Concede they can't fit Burgess in.

Souths have no leverage because of the way they have handled it. Other clubs know if they just hold off, better players will come along, or even Burgess himself.

It was all over the media for weeks before Burgess finally signed for Souths. You don't think the likes of the Titans wouldn't have put two and two together when they suddenly got a call out of the blue offering them Chris McQueen?

Besides, you don't know what nominal value the NRL will place on Burgess before you pop the question to them.

As I mentioned earlier, you just get it done and clean up the mess it creates afterwards.

 

[Danish]

This nominal value shit from the NRL is a joke. If a club can provide all the legal docs to show they are only paying a player a small amount, with the rest from 3rd party then who cares.

If they want to start applying their own values to players then they would have to switch to something separate to a salary cap, like an assigned points value for each player based on a set of rules (games played, rep jerseys, some relevant stats for their position) and then give teams a total amount of points they can have in their squad.

Sam Burgess should be playing rugby league in the best league comp in the world. If all this rubbish leads to him playing in England or sticking with union because he (rightfully) doesn't want to play for some basket case team then it's a massive f**k up by the NRL