Sam Thaiday to test market.

[TheRam]

does Haynes current form warrant the same amount of money or more for that matter??

On current form he warrants it more then the captain. Don't get me wrong, I like Caylo, but he has been way ordinary for quite a while now. Even by your own previous comments Staggs, you acknowledge that we have problems with our forwards, but then you want to cut our best back to fix the ordinary forwards. Huh?

Here is a tip, why not get rid of the ordinary forwards, not the best back. ;-)

 

[Stagger eel]

What about Inu then? and who would we replace Hayne with? Reddy?:lol: yeah that sounds like a good idea:lol:

How about we ditch your powder puff 30 year old buddy on $400,000 who hasn't done jack since Vella was here, now that sounds like a better solution;-)

any numbnut will tell you that if you got a forward pack with the addition of Crocker, Eastwood and Thaiday in your starting line up than it really wouldn't matter who we get to replace him, give Nathan Gardener the 1 jersey, he'd kill it behind that pack.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

You are kidding Staggs. Hayne is the only player in the backline that is a gurranteed top line player. I mean even Inu is suspect at this point in his career after what he dished up all last year culminating in his dropping from the NZ team for bad form.

Careful Ram, not allowed to question Inu's performances because he doesn't drink and does alot of charity work....plus has a chee;-)ky smile

Inu is suspect, he should be the first to go, not Hayne, our only SOO rep

 

[Stagger eel]

On current form he warrants it more then the captain. Don't get me wrong, I like Caylo, but he has been way ordinary for quite a while now. Even by your own previous comments Staggs, you acknowledge that we have problems with our forwards, but then you want to cut our best back to fix the ordinary forwards. Huh?

Here is a tip, why not get rid of the ordinary forwards, not the best back. ;-)

where have I defended Caylo's form in the past?? and personly outside backs are much more replaceable than forwards which is the reason why I hypatheiticaly stated that we should get rid of Hayne to sign the big 3.

just a personal choice.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

any numbnut will tell you that if you got a forward pack with the addition of Crocker, Eastwood and Thaiday in your starting line up than it really wouldn't matter who we get to replace him, give Nathan Gardener the 1 jersey, he'd kill it behind that pack.

Remember the dogs pack from 2005 to 2007, great forward pack, yet their well documented poor backline weren't able to step up regardless of how good their pack was and consequently they failed.

We replace forwards with forwards, not with backs.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

where have I defended Caylo's form in the past?? and personly outside backs are much more replaceable than forwards which is the reason why I hypatheiticaly stated that we should get rid of Hayne to sign the big 3.

just a personal choice.

you hypothetically stated? it didn't sound that way to me...

And outside SOO backs aren't easily replacable, regardless of what you think, Hayne is a once in ten year player, we haven't had a talented back like him since Lyon.

Cayless has not performed in close to 3 years, at 30 years of age and at $400,000 a year, it would be a better business decision to get rid of him instead of a 21SOO player with the world at his feet wouldn't you say?

 

[Stagger eel]

Careful Ram, not allowed to question Inu's performances because he doesn't drink and does alot of charity work....plus has a chee;-)ky smile

Inu is suspect, he should be the first to go, not Hayne, our only SOO rep

I think your the only one who's sensative about who we should allow to bag on the forum or not, I don't see any of your posts deleted because you've personaly bagged Burt, Caylo, Finch and INU but you tend to get defensive when we question Haynes form? why's that?

being a park footballer and failed musician like yourself do you always get uptight when your reminded of those you don't like being more succesful than you? ;-)

you see WronG if you want to insult people intelligence by claiming that people like players because of anything other than what they do on the field than you can cop it back...I'm sure you don't mind. ;-)

 

[Stagger eel]

you hypothetically stated? it didn't sound that way to me...

yes Hypathetical...do you honestly think it would happen, get of the drugs. :lol:

 

[Stagger eel]

We replace forwards with forwards, not with backs.

it depends on your depth.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

I think your the only one who's sensative about who we should allow to bag on the forum or not, I don't see any of your posts deleted because you've personaly bagged Burt, Caylo, Finch and INU but you tend to get defensive when we question Haynes form? why's that?

being a park footballer and failed musician like yourself do you always get uptight when your reminded of those you don't like being more succesful than you? ;-)

you see WronG if you want to insult people intelligence by claiming that people like players because of anything other than what they do on the field than you can cop it back...I'm sure you don't mind. ;-)

LOL now i've heard it all:lol: unbelievable Stagger, just unbelievable:lol:

Now to answer your question, well answer some of the dribble anyway, my reasons for Burt and Cayless.

Burt is not a fullback, not a winger, not a centre not really anything, yes he can give you a decent game here and there but in 10 years at our club he's still struggling to cement a spot. I would rather a young bloke come in and given a chance for alot less. Burt is terrible defensively, cannot catch a bomb, lacks metres runing it up and always pushed back.

Cayless, he has failed to perform in close to 3 years. He's now 30, on $400,000 a year add to the fact his form has been ordinary seems like a logical business decision, pity you cannot see it.

As for Inu? no i think Inu is a great young player, but what pisses me off is that he never gets the blame for anything and never singled out like Hayne, why? because he's likable, that's all it is, people are so gullable.

Finch i actually like, however doesn't have the necesary skills to deliver us a premiership. He lacks a legit kicking game, creativity.

I defend Hayne, why? because he's our best backline player and only SOO rep, quite simple really. He gets bagged whilst others don't no matter how poor they are, he's the scapegoat just like Tim Smith.

I feel so much better now, thanks Dr Phil:lol:

 

[Ron Jeremy]

it depends on your depth.

Depth? young blokes would learn alot more from Thaiday and Crocker then Lowrie, Cordoba etc

As i stated previously, i would rather lack depth but have genuine talent, younger players will learn better from such talents.

 

[Stagger eel]

LOL now i've heard it all:lol: unbelievable Stagger, just unbelievable:lol:

Now to answer your question, well answer some of the dribble anyway, my reasons for Burt and Cayless.

Burt is not a fullback, not a winger, not a centre not really anything, yes he can give you a decent game here and there but in 10 years at our club he's still struggling to cement a spot. I would rather a young bloke come in and given a chance for alot less. Burt is terrible defensively, cannot catch a bomb, lacks metres runing it up and always pushed back.

is this the same Burt you want to try as five eight?

Cayless, he has failed to perform in close to 3 years. He's now 30, on $400,000 a year add to the fact his form has been ordinary seems like a logical business decision, pity you cannot see it..

what and pay him out...yeah! a great business decision.

As for Inu? no i think Inu is a great young player, but what pisses me off is that he never gets the blame for anything and never singled out like Hayne, why? because he's likable, that's all it is, people are so gullable.

sorry, can you please explain why people are so gullable?

Finch i actually like, however doesn't have the necesary skills to deliver us a premiership. He lacks a legit kicking game, creativity.

I defend Hayne, why? because he's our best backline player and only SOO rep, quite simple really. He gets bagged whilst others don't no matter how poor they are, he's the scapegoat just like Tim Smith.

I feel so much better now, thanks Dr Phil:lol:

scapegoat?? lol...you can't even aknowledge the fact that 2 of our more ordinary players who are on sh*t all money managed to achieve the top try and point scoring feats for the year and you think our 350'000 dollar wonder boy shouldn't rate a mention???

 

[TheRam]

where have I defended Caylo's form in the past?? and personly outside backs are much more replaceable than forwards which is the reason why I hypatheiticaly stated that we should get rid of Hayne to sign the big 3.

just a personal choice.

Fair enough, but I think that you are way off on this one Staggs. Most times I find your logic sound, but unfortunately this time I can not agree.

There are at least three or four forwards and an equal amount of backs (Not Hayne) that need to be closely monitored this season. I would by seasons end be purging, purging and purging some more, with view of having enough capital up my sleeve to attract the best players on the open market, especially if we do not make the top 4 this season, which I do not expect us to.

But that is just me, I follow the Wayne Bennett school of football philosophy when it comes to footy, which is, if players do not respond to good coaching, get ones that do, no matter who they are. Including assistants and trainers.

 

[lucablight]

He's an alright player but very overrated

 

[lucablight]

hahaha people are kidding if we'll make him a decent offer, we would rather re-sign and sign average players like Burt and Lowrie as well as Robson instead of being proactive like clubs like Canterbury, oh but that's right, we haven't got enough room under the cap, what a load of sh*t, simply imo we're not spending the cap due to the current economic climate, just f**king say it Denis.

Did you see their playing squad last year? They had no choice but to recruit. A bit like us in 2004.

 

[yy_cheng]

Fair enough, but I think that you are way off on this one Staggs. Most times I find your logic sound, but unfortunately this time I can not agree.

There are at least three or four forwards and an equal amount of backs (Not Hayne) that need to be closely monitored this season. I would by seasons end be purging, purging and purging some more, with view of having enough capital up my sleeve to attract the best players on the open market, especially if we do not make the top 4 this season, which I do not expect us to.

But that is just me, I follow the Wayne Bennett school of football philosophy when it comes to footy, which is, if players do not respond to good coaching, get ones that do, no matter who they are. Including assistants and trainers.

LOL !! Good ol' Eela loses all logic when it comes to Ron !!!

The Wayne Bennett philosphy is the same as my German Riding Instructor/Trainer. Pick a horse on it conformation and movement.

Train him, if he doesn't easily obey, it's NEXT !

 

[Stagger eel]

LOL !! Good ol' Eela loses all logic when it comes to Ron !!!

The Wayne Bennett philosphy is the same as my German Riding Instructor/Trainer. Pick a horse on it conformation and movement.

Train him, if he doesn't easily obey, it's NEXT !

well my logic is quite simple and again I must stress this is purely a hypatheitcal situation so here goes.

you can sign 3 very good players on Haynes wage, preferably the players mentioned, you can also do it with Caylo's INU's and Hindy's sallary which is probably why we've struggled to sign any new players of late, well my logic is that with the lack of frontrow depth I would rather release a guy like Hayne than someone of the calabar of Caylo, why? well we have several players that can easily slot in at fullback if he wasn't there, infact I've said this in the past we have very strong depth at 1 to 5, even stronger now that young Callan is making his mark, but very very weak in in the forwards with next to no depth to speak of, infact I'd go as far as saying it's the worst since 95...we're atleast 3 quality forwards short of making a top 4 birth imo, that's how serious our problem upfront is.

I'd much rather forgo a heap of money taken up in an area that isn't lacking in quality and make up for it in an area we desperately need.

it's that simple.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

is this the same Burt you want to try as five eight?



what and pay him out...yeah! a great business decision.



sorry, can you please explain why people are so gullable?



scapegoat?? lol...you can't even aknowledge the fact that 2 of our more ordinary players who are on sh*t all money managed to achieve the top try and point scoring feats for the year and you think our 350'000 dollar wonder boy shouldn't rate a mention???

Stagger, just give up, i'm about to knife you in the heart with my dagger in this argument, but i can hear you begging for mercy, i shall kind sir;-)

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Did you see their playing squad last year? They had no choice but to recruit. A bit like us in 2004.

I agree, however i'm not totally convinced that we have spent our salary cap or there abouts.

We should always be looking to shop players underperforming, everyother club seems to do it, oh wait, i can hear something in the background, it's Stagger Eel screaming 'both parties have to agree to it' :lol: yes i'm aware of that, but contracts aren't like what they use too, they're negotiable and if players like Burt as some suggest are underpaid then i'm sure he would have no problem to get out of his contract to cash in on bigger money somewhere else. As for Cayless? i'm sure he could get a decent pay packet in England.

 

[TheRam]

well my logic is quite simple and again I must stress this is purely a hypatheitcal situation so here goes.

you can sign 3 very good players on Haynes wage, preferably the players mentioned, you can also do it with Caylo's INU's and Hindy's sallary which is probably why we've struggled to sign any new players of late, well my logic is that with the lack of frontrow depth I would rather release a guy like Hayne than someone of the calabar of Caylo, why? well we have several players that can easily slot in at fullback if he wasn't there, infact I've said this in the past we have very strong depth at 1 to 5, even stronger now that young Callan is making his mark, but very very weak in in the forwards with next to no depth to speak of, infact I'd go as far as saying it's the worst since 95...we're atleast 3 quality forwards short of making a top 4 birth imo, that's how serious our problem upfront is.

I'd much rather forgo a heap of money taken up in an area that isn't lacking in quality and make up for it in an area we desperately need.

it's that simple.

I find that up side down logic. For starters fans love spectacular players. They keep the turn styles moving and the fans on their feet, not a boring old plotter of a backline. But even more importantly Stagger, again you concede our lack of quality players in the forwards, yet you wish to keep them, and let go the one player that is a stand out. What the...

Get rid of the players who are not performing, don't penalize the players that are. If Cayless is not consistently playing like a player on $400 000 this year, then get rid of him for someone that can. Simple. I don't care how nice he is and I concede that he is a standout guy. But footy teams need to win or they may disappear altogether.

Besides he has been looked after by Parra for quite a while now and I do not think he will have to much of a problem going to England on a decent wicket. Do you?