Sam Thaiday to test market.

[Ron Jeremy]

I find that up side down logic. For starters fans love spectacular players. They keep the turn styles moving and the fans on their feet, not a boring old plotter of a backline. But even more importantly Stagger, again you concede our lack of quality players in the forwards, yet you wish to keep them, and let go the one player that is a stand out. What the...

Get rid of the players who are not performing, don't penalize the players that are. If Cayless is not consistently playing like a player on $400 000 this year, then get rid of him for someone that can. Simple. I don't care how nice he is and I concede that he is a standout guy. But footy teams need to win or they may disappear altogether.

Besides he has been looked after by Parra for quite a while now and I do not think he will have to much of a problem going to England on a decent wicket. Do you?

Ram totally agree. See the thing is people think i'm just whinging for the sake of it, i'm not, i just want our club to be as proactive as possible and do everything they can to attract and retain the best possible players, and imo we are far from that atm. Too many players here are either fringe players or inconsistent, off the top of my head Burt, Grothe, Lowrie ( remember he's on a tidy sum from all reports) Ben Smith ( can play...that's when he's on the field) Cordoba and Cayless, hell I'd rather have Reddy at the moment over Burt, he was great last year for us.

We need to start making some tough decisions, and i hate to say it as i love the bloke, but even if Hindy has a poor year this year he should be accountable to be consistent. He and Cayless are getting on, and both combined are on close ( speculating) to a million between them, alot of money for blokes past there prime.

People might piss and moan, but other sports and clubs make the hard decisions, look at Buffalo bills. In 1999 they cut Bruce Smith, the all time leader in sacks as well as other futre hall of famer teammates in Andre Reed and Thurman Thomas, all three were legends of the game and Buffalo, but they made the tough decisions that were needed.

Again, my argument is for the purpose for 1 thing, wining a comp, that's all i want, and to do that we have to get players performing consistently.

 

[TheRam]

I here ya Mr Porn...Ummm, I mean, Ronny. :lol:

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

why would we get rid of the world cup winning captain?

To give Hayne more money, obviously.

You are kidding Staggs. Hayne is the only player in the backline that is a gurranteed top line player. I mean even Inu is suspect at this point in his career after what he dished up all last year culminating in his dropping from the NZ team for bad form.

And what did Hayne dish up last year? A big fat nothing.

It culminated in his dropping from the Australian team for bad form. At least Inu was dropped from the world champions.

What about Inu then? and who would we replace Hayne with? Reddy?:lol: yeah that sounds like a good idea:lol:

Reddy was easily our best three-quarter last year. Top tryscorer, too.

Get rid of the players who are not performing, don't penalize the players that are.

So get rid of Hayne and give Reddy a payrise, then?

 

[Stagger eel]

Ram totally agree. See the thing is people think i'm just whinging for the sake of it, i'm not, i just want our club to be as proactive as possible and do everything they can to attract and retain the best possible players, and imo we are far from that atm. Too many players here are either fringe players or inconsistent, off the top of my head Burt, Grothe, Lowrie ( remember he's on a tidy sum from all reports) Ben Smith ( can play...that's when he's on the field) Cordoba and Cayless, hell I'd rather have Reddy at the moment over Burt, he was great last year for us.

We need to start making some tough decisions, and i hate to say it as i love the bloke, but even if Hindy has a poor year this year he should be accountable to be consistent. He and Cayless are getting on, and both combined are on close ( speculating) to a million between them, alot of money for blokes past there prime.

People might piss and moan, but other sports and clubs make the hard decisions, look at Buffalo bills. In 1999 they cut Bruce Smith, the all time leader in sacks as well as other futre hall of famer teammates in Andre Reed and Thurman Thomas, all three were legends of the game and Buffalo, but they made the tough decisions that were needed.

Again, my argument is for the purpose for 1 thing, wining a comp, that's all i want, and to do that we have to get players performing consistently.

so by that logic we should blame and sacrifise every single player in this side with the exception of 1 certain player, is that it? so he's allowed to have a mediocre year, is that it?? we should continue to pay him blue chip doller and never ever hold him accountable because he's our best back...lol

 

[Stagger eel]

I find that up side down logic. For starters fans love spectacular players. They keep the turn styles moving and the fans on their feet, not a boring old plotter of a backline. But even more importantly Stagger, again you concede our lack of quality players in the forwards, yet you wish to keep them, and let go the one player that is a stand out. What the...

Get rid of the players who are not performing, don't penalize the players that are. If Cayless is not consistently playing like a player on $400 000 this year, then get rid of him for someone that can. Simple. I don't care how nice he is and I concede that he is a standout guy. But footy teams need to win or they may disappear altogether.

Besides he has been looked after by Parra for quite a while now and I do not think he will have to much of a problem going to England on a decent wicket. Do you?

RAM, I've said it a million times that I hold every single player accountable with the exception of Hindmarsh and Feleti for last years debarcle, so if we want to get rid of every under achieving player in the squad than we'll have 2 maybe 3 players left..yeah?

i admit i'll always have a soft spot for those who have given the club great service I alos have a big soft spot for local juniors (which Hayne is one of them) but what ever decision our head coach makes in the future in regards to our club stalwards than I'll be mre than happy to go with it but I still think that someone like caylo still has a great deal to offer this club, especially under the guidence of a coach who will get the best out of him and play him to his strengths instead of using him as a battering ram which he never was.

 

[Stagger eel]

Stagger, just give up, i'm about to knife you in the heart with my dagger in this argument, but i can hear you begging for mercy, i shall kind sir;-)

don't let fear hold you back....

 

[lingard]

LOL now i've heard it all:lol: unbelievable Stagger, just unbelievable:lol:

Now to answer your question, well answer some of the dribble anyway, my reasons for Burt and Cayless.

Burt is not a fullback, not a winger, not a centre not really anything, yes he can give you a decent game here and there but in 10 years at our club he's still struggling to cement a spot. I would rather a young bloke come in and given a chance for alot less. Burt is terrible defensively, cannot catch a bomb, lacks metres runing it up and always pushed back.

Cayless, he has failed to perform in close to 3 years. He's now 30, on $400,000 a year add to the fact his form has been ordinary seems like a logical business decision, pity you cannot see it.

As for Inu? no i think Inu is a great young player, but what pisses me off is that he never gets the blame for anything and never singled out like Hayne, why? because he's likable, that's all it is, people are so gullable.

Finch i actually like, however doesn't have the necesary skills to deliver us a premiership. He lacks a legit kicking game, creativity.

I defend Hayne, why? because he's our best backline player and only SOO rep, quite simple really. He gets bagged whilst others don't no matter how poor they are, he's the scapegoat just like Tim Smith.

I feel so much better now, thanks Dr Phil:lol:

Ron, I agree with EVERYTHING you`ve just said EXCEPT about Hayne. I still think he`s running on POTENTIAL, and he really needs to step up this year. I don`t rate him our best back YET. So far he`s had ONE good season. He still hasn`t shown me he`s anywhere near the class of Inglis or Falau for instance. Maybe this year, eh?

 

[lingard]

RAM, I've said it a million times that I hold every single player accountable with the exception of Hindmarsh and Feleti for last years debarcle, so if we want to get rid of every under achieving player in the squad than we'll have 2 maybe 3 players left..yeah?

i admit i'll always have a soft spot for those who have given the club great service I alos have a big soft spot for local juniors (which Hayne is one of them) but what ever decision our head coach makes in the future in regards to our club stalwards than I'll be mre than happy to go with it but I still think that someone like caylo still has a great deal to offer this club, especially under the guidence of a coach who will get the best out of him and play him to his strengths instead of using him as a battering ram which he never was.

What about Reddy? He`s not flashy or brilliant, but he was close to our most consistent player last year. And, unlike all our other players, he keeps getting gradually better each year.

 

[Stagger eel]

What about Reddy? He`s not flashy or brilliant, but he was close to our most consistent player last year. And, unlike all our other players, he keeps getting gradually better each year.

I think he's had a decent year by his standards and has earnt his money but did have some defensive issues just prior to him getting hurt last year.

 

[Belly in Brisvegas]

I think he's had a decent year by his standards and has earnt his money but did have some defensive issues just prior to him getting hurt last year.

ffs Staggs...I will not have ONE bad word said about "Green and Gold" Joel...any deficencies in his games were caused by others!!!!!

 

[Stagger eel]

ffs Staggs...I will not have ONE bad word said about "Green and Gold" Joel...any deficencies in his games were caused by others!!!!!

oh! yep..offcourse,

sorry.

:lol:

 

[jk13]

gotta agree with ron and ram on this one. sounds like a movie. ron and ram make a porno.
if you have enough gun forwards you can always fill the gaps with juniors who should lift in a gun environment. thought the storm hav been doing this for years.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

RAM, I've said it a million times that I hold every single player accountable with the exception of Hindmarsh and Feleti for last years debarcle, so if we want to get rid of every under achieving player in the squad than we'll have 2 maybe 3 players left..yeah?

i admit i'll always have a soft spot for those who have given the club great service I alos have a big soft spot for local juniors (which Hayne is one of them) but what ever decision our head coach makes in the future in regards to our club stalwards than I'll be mre than happy to go with it but I still think that someone like caylo still has a great deal to offer this club, especially under the guidence of a coach who will get the best out of him and play him to his strengths instead of using him as a battering ram which he never was.

I know you do Stagger and that's a problem, you need to take those blinkers off ( yes i see the irony due to my well documented love affair with Hayne). We can't just keep paying these blokes good money just because they've given the club great service, and tbh i wouldn't call it great service more good service. Business decisions need to be made, loyalty shouldn't come into it.

Anyway, this season we shall see if the players in question rise to the occasion under DA, and even if they do particulary Cayless, we should still look at offloading him, he'll be 31 next year on $400,000.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

gotta agree with ron and ram on this one. sounds like a movie. ron and ram make a porno.
if you have enough gun forwards you can always fill the gaps with juniors who should lift in a gun environment. thought the storm hav been doing this for years.

LOL

Melbourne, Canterbury have done it for years, and even Manly in the mid 90's had very poor depth but was hugely succesful.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Ron, I agree with EVERYTHING you`ve just said EXCEPT about Hayne. I still think he`s running on POTENTIAL, and he really needs to step up this year. I don`t rate him our best back YET. So far he`s had ONE good season. He still hasn`t shown me he`s anywhere near the class of Inglis or Falau for instance. Maybe this year, eh?

Then who is our best back? you surely couldn't say Inu as he was alot worse then Hayne, Hayne atleast had a good last month mixed in with some good games at centre ( Newcastle and Manly games) Inu's only decent game was against Brisbane, we all thought 'god we didn't know how much we missed him' then after that game he got poorer and poorer.....

Hayne still has to perform, i totally agree.

 

[jk13]

and maybe thats the problem with being a junior based team. we're always struggling to try and keep the best juniors and in doing so we may feel obligated to sticking with them in the long run because they chose to stay with us. i hav mixed emotions as some of these guys are my fav players and i would find it difficult to watch them in different colors

 

[Stagger eel]

I know you do Stagger and that's a problem, you need to take those blinkers off ( yes i see the irony due to my well documented love affair with Hayne). We can't just keep paying these blokes good money just because they've given the club great service, and tbh i wouldn't call it great service more good service. Business decisions need to be made, loyalty shouldn't come into it.

Anyway, this season we shall see if the players in question rise to the occasion under DA, and even if they do particulary Cayless, we should still look at offloading him, he'll be 31 next year on $400,000.

like I said, I'll leave that up to DA to decide..

one thing I do remember, you didn't have a problem with Cayless signing that extension to his contract in 07.

 

[Stagger eel]

and maybe thats the problem with being a junior based team. we're always struggling to try and keep the best juniors and in doing so we may feel obligated to sticking with them in the long run because they chose to stay with us. i hav mixed emotions as some of these guys are my fav players and i would find it difficult to watch them in different colors

well the head coach has final say in who stays and goes and we've had 4 fg coach's since 2005..therefore it's been lacking for a tough stable leading to guide this side and make the tough decisions for a long time..

Hagan was hardly that..

 

[jk13]

no arguement there. but even with a hard a$$ coach, i still think at the end of the day the club/coach is at the mercy of good players, as they can always demand good dollar elsewhere. i guess most of us come from a period in rugby league where loyalty mattered the most. cash has over taken that now.

 

[spiderdan]

jesse royal was one that i think would've been worth chasing but he has signed with the warriors in the last couple of days. he has the toughness and right playing attitude to bolster our pack.