Sam Tomkins: coming to an NRL club near you

[Tyrone Biggums]

Passing to Hurrel would make any playmaker look good.

Any poster on here in decent shape would have half a dozen try assists if all they had to do was sweep around and tip it on to that behemoth.

 

[Snappy]

Sam is fast becoming the NRL's best fullback.

 

[sup42]

Passing to Hurrel would make any playmaker look good.

Any poster on here in decent shape would have half a dozen try assists if all they had to do was sweep around and tip it on to that behemoth.

You just described Hurrell pre Tomkins.

James Maloney couldn't do it in the fashion Tomkins does.

If you want to understand the difference in the Warriors this season look at Hurrells old Highlight videos and watch Kevin Locke and others give him the ball with several defenders in front of him.

Same applies to Vatuvie. It was not till the arrival of Tomkins that clean overlaps for Vatuvei were consistent.

Add the two factors together and you have a world class distributor giving the Warriors width in attack.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Maloney doesn't play fullback. Not too sure why you brought him up, you may as well have said Mannering.

I'd say coaching has more to do with it than anything. I'd put Hurrel and Vatuvei's improvements down to McFadden replacing that spastic Elliott, over Tomkins' unbelievably majestic ball playing ability.

The Warriors would be doing just as good with someone like Moylan at fullback.

 

[tangalife]

Tomkins has a wicked sleight of hand. The defence attempts to stop the move by rushing Tomkins but he's too quick for them, its more than just Hurrell getting early ball.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Sam is fast becoming the NRL's best fullback.

:lol: "Sam"

Inglis - Hayne - Slater
Stewart

Daylight

"Sam" - Moylan - Tedesco

 

[betcats]

The warriors offense really started clicking when Mcfadden took over moreso then when Tomkins came in.

And Hayne is a better fullback then Inglis imo.

 

[JJ]

TBH we clicked when we played Parramatta and Canberra - that probably had more to do with them, than us... McFadden has made a difference, more in consistency though, Manu's been an attacking force for a long time, and Hurrell is maturing - again, McFadden dressing him down and dopping him helped


Aside from some flash starts there's not much else of note when against a committed organised team - our points are helped by those big towelings and we play Cronulla and Newcastle in the next two weeks - so there could be more scores... but to me, there's not much in it

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

The warriors offense really started clicking when Mcfadden took over moreso then when Tomkins came in.

And Hayne is a better fullback then Inglis imo.

Even as a Hayne fanboy I'd say they're more or less the same level. Hayne's in pretty good form at the moment though.

I will say that both Slater and Inglis have been lucky to play in dominant teams. The day Hayne lines up in an NRL team, instead of the NSW Cup side he's had to carry for the last three years, will be a sad day for the rest of the NRL, I just hope it's with Parramatta :lol:

 

[JJ]

Even as a Hayne fanboy I'd say they're more or less the same level. Hayne's in pretty good form at the moment though.

I will say that both Slater and Inglis have been lucky to play in dominant teams. The day Hayne lines up in an NRL team, instead of the NSW Cup side he's had to carry for the last three years, will be a sad day for the rest of the NRL, I just hope it's with Parramatta :lol:

It is a scary thought that he might have a good team around him... in 09 he had a barely average one, and we know what happened...

At his best, I have no doubt he's the best - Slater (and Mini before him) has been performing at a very high level for a long time - Hayne and Inglis have at various stages shown how good they are, if they put 3-4 years together, it'll be something to see

 

[Masoe_eats_babies]

Maloney doesn't play fullback. Not too sure why you brought him up, you may as well have said Mannering.

I'd say coaching has more to do with it than anything. I'd put Hurrel and Vatuvei's improvements down to McFadden replacing that spastic Elliott, over Tomkins' unbelievably majestic ball playing ability.

The Warriors would be doing just as good with someone like Moylan at fullback.

What a f**kwit :lol::lol:

I love how opposition fans seem to think they know the Warriors better than anyone else.

For an Eels fan with a Hayne signature you'd think you could appreciate what a player does in games and for a team even if they don't come up with a hatrick of tries and 8 assists every week.

Tomkins has been great for our attack and he's added more than a lot of the merkins you've named could do. Your Stewarts, Moylans and Tedescos couldn't add what he's added, not at all. If he cleans up on his mistakes he's right up there with the best fullbacks in the world - a season fraught with silly errors are the only thing making that a controversial statement.

You really have proved yourself to know nothing with that Moylan statement. :thumbd:

 

[MrAnonymous]

Moylan shits on Flopkins in ever facet of the game. Moylan true greatness will show when he gets moved to 5/8 where Flopkins should be playing. He will be better then him playing in the halves as well.

 

[umina panther]

Both are pretty much the same player

 

[MaxPower]

Your Stewarts, Moylans and Tedescos couldn't add what he's added, not at all.

What does Tomkins add that Stewart and Moylan can't?

 

[sup42]

That's what make him one of the best ?

What every other fullback has been doing for the last 5 yrs in the NRL.

I've never claimed Tomkins is the best or compared him to other fullbacks in the NRL apart from a brief mention of Locke ( comparing apples with apples ).

The whole point of my posts is to underline the unique factors that make NZ Rugby league teams what they are and why imported players have had limited impact in influencing the inconsistencies of Warriors performance.

Tomkins main strength is the consistency with which he delivers.

Subtle things that make Tomkins a success in the Warriors attack is his ability to adjust his timing to deliver clean ball to players ( they are improving massively since Sam arrived which is the real beauty in the investment in that player ).

I watch old Warriors footage and nothing Sam has done apart from a freakish tip on is new.

It's his ability to deliver the same quality ball play after play that has changed the Warriors from a very disjointed looking team when they try to run a set move.

They will drop their structure when it doesn't come off.....Nine coaches have ended up pulling their hair out trying to work out why they go away from the plan.

What they needed was someone who could sweeten the timing of their plays and induct them into running those plays over and over.

Ironically one of the early complaints about Tomkins was that he was getting too much ball and was too predictable.

Now we are seeing the whole point to fixing the Warriors is a player who can deliver predictability to a previously unpredictable team.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

What a f**kwit :lol::lol:

I love how opposition fans seem to think they know the Warriors better than anyone else.

For an Eels fan with a Hayne signature you'd think you could appreciate what a player does in games and for a team even if they don't come up with a hatrick of tries and 8 assists every week.

Tomkins has been great for our attack and he's added more than a lot of the merkins you've named could do. Your Stewarts, Moylans and Tedescos couldn't add what he's added, not at all. If he cleans up on his mistakes he's right up there with the best fullbacks in the world - a season fraught with silly errors are the only thing making that a controversial statement.

You really have proved yourself to know nothing with that Moylan statement. :thumbd:

I live in New Zealand brah.

Believe me, I'd rather know nothing about the wankers. Hearing dickheads on talkback declaring Townsend and Johnson the best halves pairing in the league after you crushed Brisbane during preseason is about the most disturbing thing I've heard all year.

 

[sup42]

Maloney doesn't play fullback. Not too sure why you brought him up, you may as well have said Mannering.

I'd say coaching has more to do with it than anything. I'd put Hurrel and Vatuvei's improvements down to McFadden replacing that spastic Elliott, over Tomkins' unbelievably majestic ball playing ability.

The Warriors would be doing just as good with someone like Moylan at fullback.

The Maloney reference was in response to the post which claimed any NRL playmaker could put Hurrell in for those right side plays.

James Maloney is an Australian play maker of some repute.

He played for the Warriors for several years.

We never had a season with Maloney in the Warriors team whereby consistent set plays released players Like Hurrell into half gaps...or even straight out one on one scenarios....we also have not had a player that could consistently exploit overlaps.

This is not a criticism of Maloney.....he is one of many very good and some Great ( e,g Greg Alexander ) who rather than influence the style of the Warriors so completely.....have had to be satisfied with fitting in with the Warrior way.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

What does Tomkins add that Stewart and Moylan can't?

Apparently predictability. Which is somehow now an advantage...:crazy:

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

The Maloney reference was in response to the post which claimed any NRL playmaker could put Hurrell in for those right side plays.

James Maloney is an Australian play maker of some repute.

He played for the Warriors for several years.

We never had a season with Maloney in the Warriors team whereby consistent set plays released players Like Hurrell into half gaps...or even straight out one on one scenarios....we also have not had a player that could consistently exploit overlaps.

This is not a criticism of Maloney.....he is one of many very good and some Great ( e,g Greg Alexander ) who rather than influence the style of the Warriors so completely.....have had to be satisfied with fitting in with the Warrior way.

Different positions init.

Fullbacks create overlaps. If everything has worked out well, than by the time they get their hands on the balls it's 3 on 2. A five eighth wouldn't be in that position nearly as many times.

 

[JJ]

Three volumes of work from Mrs Tomkins so far :lol: