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Sam Tomkins: coming to an NRL club near you

sup42

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I live in New Zealand brah.

Believe me, I'd rather know nothing about the wankers. Hearing dickheads on talkback declaring Townsend and Johnson the best halves pairing in the league after you crushed Brisbane during preseason is about the most disturbing thing I've heard all year.
People who live in this country can be the worst Warrior bashers out eh.

What's wrong with people getting excited about the prospects of their Nations NRL Franchise.

I hope the Eels go well this year, as a Warrior fan I always jump on the badwagon of other underdog teams when they are struggling...there is an affinity with the underdog when you support the Warriors.
 

sup42

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TBH we clicked when we played Parramatta and Canberra - that probably had more to do with them, than us... McFadden has made a difference, more in consistency though, Manu's been an attacking force for a long time, and Hurrell is maturing - again, McFadden dressing him down and dopping him helped


Aside from some flash starts there's not much else of note when against a committed organised team - our points are helped by those big towelings and we play Cronulla and Newcastle in the next two weeks - so there could be more scores... but to me, there's not much in it
All most every team in the NRL has had the large wins this season so that factor I pay no heed to in the F/A over the long term it averages out.

McFadden has made a massive difference no doubt in fact the majority of positive change is down to his favoring of selecting players that implement his fast line speed offensive defence.

You can make a direct comparison to this change by watching Cleary Warrior sides populated by leaner 2nd rowers and watch the line bend as they rack up the tackle counts Ivan loved.

The change Tomkins has made was predicted all over ESL forums by Wigan fans and non Wigan fans alike ( plenty of those same fans who really know what they are talking about with Tomkins.....predicted the struggles Tomkins is having as well ).

Those set plays which you attribute to Hurrells maturity ( yes he is maturing the whole lot are...their timing is being shaped by Tomkins ) are plays that Tomkins has run more of than McFadden has had hot breakfasts ( the coach player differential ).

Change is on a continuum, the combination of coach and Tomkins makes a massive combined shift.

The thing is this :

Matt Elliot had five games. Sam Tomkins unveiled all those plays in those same games.....Tomkins did the same under Maguire and Wane.

They are Tomkins bread and butter plays.

Best player in ESL for that reason.

Tomkins has been quoted as saying the Thomas Leuluai taught him the structures.

We had Leuluai for a full season what happened there ? What i saw was Thomas running that same play with Kevin Locke and it looked disjointed till late in the season where it came off in a handful of games.

Typically we see these same blokes come out ( after a bye especially ) and play like they are meeting each other for the first time. Importing experienced NRL players has not made an Iaota of difference in terms of getting precision consistently in a Warriors side involving multiple players.

This season the Warriors score off that play inside the opening three minutes for four games straight against Manly and the Broncos too if you want a point of difference from the easy beats.
 
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Tyrone Biggums

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What made him the best player in the Super League? Winning the Man of Steel? That'd be the same award that Rangi Chase and Pat Richards won right?

Fwiw i'm not saying he wasn't the best over there. It was pretty well known that he was a level or two above everyone else in the SL.
 

sup42

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What made him the best player in the Super League? Winning the Man of Steel? That'd be the same award that Rangi Chase and Pat Richards won right?

Fwiw i'm not saying he wasn't the best over there. It was pretty well known that he was a level or two above everyone else in the SL.
The ESL is a weaker competition which is why Tomkins has not found the NRL easy.

Tomkins stressed that point when he joined the Warriors before a ball was kicked in anger.

Next season will be interesting when Sam has settled in to the Warriors.

I think the biggest challenge for him is fitting into the Warriors, more so than the competition itself.

The Warriors are a complicated outfit to work out. They are the least conventional rugby league team in the NRL.

That is a big leap for a player coming from and ultra structured team like Wigan.

The unforced errors are new.

That's a confidence issue. Trying too hard...not coping with pressure. This season has done a lot of good for Tomkins and he will be a better international player for the Poms after these three Seasons in the NRL.
 
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bedlam breakout

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the weaker esl -would that be the one that players like greg bird and ryan Hoffman played in? almost unnoticed, with un inspiring performances week after week, then went on to be origin heroes? love nrl but don't believe too much of your own hype down there.:crazy:
 
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the weaker esl -would that be the one that players like greg bird and ryan Hoffman played in? almost unnoticed, with un inspiring performances week after week, then went on to be origin heroes? love nrl but don't believe too much of your own hype down there.:crazy:

You failed to mention that Super League is the same league that Pat Richards, Jamie Lyon, Matt Gidley, Danny Buderus, Craig Gower, Sam Moa, Craig Fitzgibbon, Jamie Soward, Steve Menzies, Joel Monaghan, Michael Monaghan, Trent Waterhouse, Joel Moon, Matt Bowen, Luke Walsh, Alfie Langer, Andrew Johns, Remi Casty, Gareth Ellis, Sam Burgess and James Graham have played in.
 

Fast Eddie

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This is overall a horrible thread. But sup42 makes a very basic point that is spot on. Tomkins has pretty much turned a relatively simple set play, used by all NRL teams into a very effective one for the Warriors. Which has never been the case for the Warriors in relation to other NRL teams. A complete new dimension for the club.
 
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I live in New Zealand brah.

Believe me, I'd rather know nothing about the wankers. Hearing dickheads on talkback declaring Townsend and Johnson the best halves pairing in the league after you crushed Brisbane during preseason is about the most disturbing thing I've heard all year.

I live in England bruh bruh. Don't know TalkBack, can appreciate getting sick of it if the media out there are overhyping but I think on the whole most Warriors fans are objective enough and Tomkins is catching excessive flak from opposition fans

I'm just saying though, as an Eels fan, having been in the same position where everyone heaps shit on one of your star players because he doesn't dominate the highlight reel week in week out (admittedly he is doing this year), but he obviously contributes massively to the overall structure and performance of the Eels, I'd have thought you'd be a bit more reasonable in weighing up Tomkins. How can you compare him to Moylan. Moylan doesn't come to a club and make the positive contribution Tomkins has, regardless of what the error or try sheets might say.

Although starting my response off by calling you a f**kwit and saying you know nothing probably isn't the most diplomatic thing to do, but f**k it... I've never been a morning person :sarcasm:
 

JJ

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29 hours and 27 minutes.

See if you can go Tompkinsless for 1 week...

Think you missed my point, but never mind...

sup makes the same point over and over at great length, and you don't find that tedious either?

Some passionate work in this thread, over a player that's decent - surprisng really - we have a new "go to" move - "kick it to Manu" went well, now we're at "pass it to Konnie" We were a good side under Cleary, as Penrith are now, not sure why he's getting slighted here

It's all good, but the big fella on the wing was scoring plenty if tries long before the current fullback arrived
 
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Fast Eddie

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Think you missed my point, but never mind...

sup makes the same point over and over at great length, and you don't find that tedious either?

Some passionate work in this thread, over a player that's decent - surprisng really - we have a new "go to" move - "kick it to Manu" went well, now we're at "pass it to Konnie" We were a good side under Cleary, as Penrith are now, not sure why he's getting slighted here

It's all good, but the big fella on the wing was scoring plenty if tries long before the current fullback arrived


Or the pass it to Mannering (and Hoffman next season) who is probably in career best form with ball in hand because defenses are now so much more concerned with Tomkins sweeping around the back and Hurrell. Just a coincidence I'm sure though.

Also explain how Cleary is being slighted, maybe I missed it.
 

POPEYE

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Tomkins went to the Warriors because he felt secure in a team that is after all this time still learning how to play NRL. If the NZ mob embrace his efforts and reply in kind the improvement they've shown can accelerate past the two steps forward one back syndrome and the team will become a consistent threat.

There are some threads that are worth a bump when progress is being made
 

shiznit

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The defence doesn't really need to be concerned with Tomkins out the back on the left.
Well they must be worrying about him... Because that's the side that Mannering has been scoring a heap of tries on this season...

They run that shape that sweeps back left with Tomkins out the back... But instead of playing out the back Tomkins... Townsend plays short to Mannering.

It's no coincidence that Mannering has started to be effective again as a ball runner since Tomkins has arrived.
 

TheDMC

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Think you missed my point, but never mind...

sup makes the same point over and over at great length, and you don't find that tedious either?

I am more astonished at Sups ability and determination to write screeds of analysis on the warriors which was been quite varied and interesting. But yeah, he is starting to hammer the same points repetitively...somewhat masked in another 50 lines of berk.
 

tangalife

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The thing is when the argument is too tough for JJ he cowers behind his taunts instead.

JJ I never got the reply to my stats posting of Tomkins a couple pages back? :crazy:
 

chrisD

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Well they must be worrying about him... Because that's the side that Mannering has been scoring a heap of tries on this season...

No they mustn't.

Does Boyd need to be credited with Scott being put through massive yawning gaps at the start of the season? Or Mini for Cordner?
 

Juju

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Well they must be worrying about him... Because that's the side that Mannering has been scoring a heap of tries on this season...

They run that shape that sweeps back left with Tomkins out the back... But instead of playing out the back Tomkins... Townsend plays short to Mannering.

It's no coincidence that Mannering has started to be effective again as a ball runner since Tomkins has arrived.
yeah Mannering has never had a sustained attacking period like this ever.
 

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