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Micistm

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Listing him has being in eight fights means nothing. If they were every bit as farcical as the SBW fight then he has no credibility. Face simple facts, whatever he used to be he was an overweight slob when he faced SBW.

EXACTLY! Wowwee, he's had eight whole fights in the NZ scene...:lol:
While being registered as an actor, boxing to pay bills. He originates from america. He's ****ing fat. A fat actor. A fat american actor who does not even qualify to be able to obtain this boxing title. A fight struggling to gain interest until- surprise surprise- there's a wee bit of the argy bargy at the weigh in.
SBW gets in, clouts in him round one- and the bit of that shown on the news was hysterical! Tillman was not there to box, and anyone that thinks that was legit IMO is nuts. Tillman gets in, does the 'Bro I'm beached as' routine, before happily announcing his retirement to focus in his acting immediately after.
I stand corrected:lol:
 

Micistm

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Doesnt matter, perception is everything. As portrayed by this thread. 'On paper' he's a NZ sporting superstar. Kiwis love a winner, why dont we love SBW?


It's a good question. It is all about perception. If I take my biased blinkers off-and of course I admit I have them- He seems a quiet spoken fellow who trains very hard at his respective goals. He joined the shave a lid charity, which is highly commendable. He, from what I understand, is very good to fans, especially the kids.
I personally have not got over the League antics, the video sent back from France, and the utter tossers in his entourage. But that's not most peoples issue I don't think.
IMO a lot of sport fans around NZ dislike the guy as he has this mercenary image- highest bidder, won't commit long term to any team etc, signs a very brief deal before taking off again somewhere else. And the overexposure in the media, and general hyping in the media hasn't helped him. Because he has not lived up to the hype. There's no doubting the guy is an amazing athelete though. Great league player, a union player of untapped potential(if he sticks at it), and possibly a decent boxer- which we may see one day if he actually fights one.;-)
 

Manu Vatuvei

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EXACTLY! Wowwee, he's had eight whole fights in the NZ scene...:lol:

8 fights last year alone. Point is, he's (or was prior to the SBW fight) a busy, active, heavyweight. He's not an "actor" boxing for fun, he's a boxer doing a bit of acting (according to you) because boxing in NZ doesn't exactly pay the bills.

While being registered as an actor, boxing to pay bills.

"Registered as an actor"? What does that even mean?? What is your source for this? Anyway, it's beside the point- HE'S A PROFESSIONAL BOXER. Well, was from 2008-2012. Seriously, how hard is that for you to understand?

SBW gets in, clouts in him round one- and the bit of that shown on the news was hysterical! Tillman was not there to box, and anyone that thinks that was legit IMO is nuts. Tillman gets in, does the 'Bro I'm beached as' routine, before happily announcing his retirement to focus in his acting immediately after.
I stand corrected:lol:

So now you're saying the only sane theory is that the fight was fixed. In other words, as with his All Blacks selection, you're saying a conspiracy theory is the only logical explanation.

You've lost your mind.
 

Manu Vatuvei

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Just to clarify, are you guys denying that Tillman is in the top 6 or 8 active heavyweight professional boxers in New Zealand?

Are you able to point to ANY viable local opponents?

I'm at a loss as to what y'all are going on about
 

Micistm

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Lol Manu, where have you been- The Tillman acting career is well documented, it came out after the fight. He is a registered actor on acting guilds. He is an actor. Google it, it will come up for you.
As for the AB selection: IMO, he's adaquete. Yes, I do believe his selection in the WC squad was predetermined before he signed to come back here. What you believe is up to you. I think he was found wanting in WC games VS decent opponents-which is why he was given less and less time during the WC (Causing our friends Coda & Mundine to go off their collective nuts ).
His boxing: We go from a 40+ sickness beneficiary in one bound to a fight for the title: Against an opponent (even ignoring the acting bit) that (A) Was not even eligable to win said title should he even win, and (B) Clearly was not interested in training. A 'little' overweight? That's like saying the pacific oceans a bit damp. The guy clearly had no interest in taking the fight seriously-And if that 1st round was an indication of his true skills...I hope he's a better actor, that's all ;-)
 

Micistm

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It is still worth noting that Cameron has challenged for a fight and been turned down. Cameron may well be a journeyman, but a well known one- and would silence some critics quickly should SBW defend his 'title' there. But he won't.
So- What are they so afraid of? ;-)
 

Micistm

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Clarence Tillman actor. Googling that brings up a range of things. His downloadable CV from his agency in NZ, various articles on the SBW fight: with his 'despite declaring to take his boxing to the next level in 2012 immediately retired post fight to focus on his modelling (I pity the catwalk) and acting.
There's various biographies, with him switching from acting modelling to football then boxing as it paid the bills better.
There's a very cool pic of him as the Codys bourbon poster boy- that does look a cool image. His Power rangers pic isn't there though! ;-)
 

Micistm

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...Because it pays the bills well, as he said himself...and added bonus, judging by the ''supreme physique': with a good payday in the likes of the SBW bout, you don't even have to bother training or worry about the weight...get some publicity, get in the ring, plow over in round one, collect your coin and announce your focus into acting and modelling....
Well, there's no point in training seriously, is there? Why bother when you're not even going to get the title even if you win because you aren't eligible, and about to focus on your other, first love careers anyway... ;-)
 

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*BUMP*

This article gave me a chuckle.

A simple, informal handshake sealed Joseph Parker's first foray into the profitable, professional boxing ranks next month.
With all the glitz, glam and trash-talk surrounding the pugilistic sport, it is refreshing to see the gentleman's agreement still exists.
Considered the future of New Zealand heavyweight boxing at just 20, Parker is set to make a lucrative and highly-anticipated professional debut on the undercard of Shane Cameron's clash with American Monte Barrett at Auckland's SkyCity Casino on July 5.
Parker initially intended to turn pro after the Olympic Games but his shock defeat to Samoan Junior Fa at the Oceania Championships in March floored that dream.
"This is as real as it can get," Parker said in announcing his future yesterday.
"I'm looking forward to the challenge. It's been a long time coming, but finally the time is right.
"This is an exciting new phase of my career and it's time to start to step things up."
Fairfax Media understands the South Auckland prospect will fight an Australian opponent over four to six rounds. The shortened schedule is aimed at nurturing his rise from amateur boxing without damaging his raw talent and confidence. David Tua's first professional 10-round fight was two years into his career.
No contracts have been signed, but Parker and his wealthy financial backer Sir Bob Jones will work in partnership with Sky Television and Duco Events promoters David Higgins and Dean Lonergan to stage up to eight fights a year, both here and abroad.
"I'm making sure he is being well paid, which he is," Jones told Fairfax. "The payment for this fight is probably a record. David asked me if I wanted a contract and I said 'no I'll take your word for it'.
"But Joseph still has to deliver the goods.
"He's just turned 20. That's really young for a heavyweight. We thought about approaching Sonny Bill Williams for his first professional opponent. But we'd rather put up someone serious and not go through this farcical stuff."
All parties are taking a long-term view, not wanting to rush Parker's development. But he will be kept active. Plans are already underway for a stint in Las Vegas with Tua's controversial former manager, Kevin Barry.
"We are looking to fight him anywhere between six to eight times a year," Lonergan said. "Not all of those fights will be taking place in New Zealand. We'll look overseas to get his experience up.
"We are in discussions with people in America, particularly Kevin Barry to get Joseph over there to train and have access to sparring partners."
Jones added: "I've talked to Kevin. He's excited about having Joseph. I'll stay in touch with him and he can clip the ticket with opponents we approve."
Parker was gutted to miss qualification for the Olympics, but proved his credentials with a first-round stoppage of Australia's Oceania champion Johan Linde in Serbia two weeks ago.
He also defeated world championship bronze medallist Erick Pfeifer from Germany. But those victories failed to persuade the world governing body for a pass to the London Games.
Source:http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/6935664/Parker-to-fight-someone-serious-not-Sonny-Bill
 

ozbash

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Gutter press...

f**k the boxing, SBW's been offerred $1.9 mil A YEAR !! fron some jap rugby club.

He must be famous...
 

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