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Second Ashes Test: Lords, 16th July, 2015.

vvvrulz

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Hadds being out might be a blessing in disguise, he wasn't really performing anyway.
With the media blow up this time, it would have been farcical to keep Sunshine.
 

TheParraboy

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Don't fear my friends

I got a gut churning feeling Watto will be back for the 5th ashes test (England lead 3-1) and blast an impressive 85 runs (both innings tally) to reinstate himself as permanent member of the Australian cricket side for years to come and the "what if" questions thrown around of his sacking after test 1
 

Timbo

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Well, even as a fan of both of them I can't argue with either call (in the case of Hadds, I hope it doesn't prove too serious).

It's a bit sad on both fronts. For Haddin, if he's now done and dusted this isn't a great way for a true champion of Australian cricket to bow out. Easily our second-best keeper-bat of all time. And for Watson, it's sad because he was never the player he was probably capable of being.
 

8Ball

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I can see why Watto kept getting selected. Always made 20s and 30s, so it was clear that talent-wise, he was easily good enough at test level. It always felt like he was going to come good ..match after match after match. Last match was just one too many and the selectors finally had enough.

I can see him going back to shield level and kill it tbh..
 
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Yep,Sunshine certainly has the talent just didn't quite know how to deliver it.Physically he broke down with injury on numerous occassions where as his body language forever signalled a sorry sack of sh*t that was drowning in self pity.If only he would of just tried relaxing a touch to enjoy his cricket instead of being so hard and miserable on himself his results may have then been better.
 

jargan83

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I heard on the radio that Brad Haddin is hoping to be available for the 3rd Test so hoping that whatever the family/personal reasons for his omission aren't too bad.

Watson dropped is a completely different matter. Time to pop the champagne!
 

Timbo

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Being fair, people usually forget - when Watson first came into the Australian team it was as a raw fast-bowling all-rounder who batted at 7. He was, at best, a lower order dasher with the bat. But he was seldom needed in a world that contained Adam Gilchrist, and an attack consisting of McGrath/Gillespie/Warne and either Lee or Kasprowicz. The thing that made him so attractive initially to selectors was that it provided a way to have both Warne and MacGill in the side, whilst also having a third quick - something which we barely did.

Keep in mind, we didn't have a test all rounder for about 20 years. Partially out of not needing one with our attack, and partially due to the two best all-rounders in Aussie cricket during that period being Ian Harvey (never a red ball prospect) and Andy Symonds (really, a batsman who could bowl a bit in red ball cricket). So Watson was still regarded as something of the missing link at that point.

And then injury to his back (he had more than one major back surgery, I recall) meant he had to slow the pace down from high 140 kphs to mid to high 120s. His response was to seriously upskill his batting through spending literally thousands of hours in the nets. The problem is, whilst that's left him technically solid, it means he still only has the instinct of a No. 7 - hence all the LBWs and bowleds. Until he's in, set and seeing it like a beach ball he's still a lower order dasher trying to find his feet. That's why he's so lethal in coloured clothing, because the ball doesn't move anywhere near as much.
 

hineyrulz

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Watson batted top 3 all throughout his junior career, it was only when picked for Australia he batted further down the order. When he first went to Tassie he was batting 3. His career record for Australia was always better when he came in somewhere in the top 3.

Someone put Watsons stats up in the Parra forum since 2011and he has averaged under 30 and averaged over 50 with he ball. Laughable this plodder has been continually picked for his constant underachievement.
 

Twizzle

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Hads has his family in England so he is taking time off to spend with them, he is not coming home.

Just hope his family is OK.
 

lockyno1

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Well 24 hours away and we finally have a side that is in form. Mitch Marsh is our best number 6 right now. Nevill is our best keeper/bat in form now. Tough place to debut for Nevill though.
 

undertaker

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Being fair, people usually forget - when Watson first came into the Australian team it was as a raw fast-bowling all-rounder who batted at 7

This.

I remember during the 2005 ICC Super Series between Australia and the World XI, Watson was relatively quick, bowling around 146km/h (91 mph). Then he was out of the test team for 3yrs after damaging his shoulder in the first test of the 2005/06 summer against West Indies and was never the same bowler after that.

I still adhere the biggest mistake the selectors ever made was promoting Watson to opening batsman at the expense of Phil Hughes during the 2009 Ashes. One of the greatest tragedies regarding Hughes career was the selectors stuffed around with his technique from that point on, and also he didn't get the support of Ponting (who was captain at the time). Only 2 centuries from 52 opening batting innings by Watson is simply not good enough as an opener.
 

Canard

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Being fair, people usually forget - when Watson first came into the Australian team it was as a raw fast-bowling all-rounder who batted at 7. He was, at best, a lower order dasher with the bat. But he was seldom needed in a world that contained Adam Gilchrist, and an attack consisting of McGrath/Gillespie/Warne and either Lee or Kasprowicz. The thing that made him so attractive initially to selectors was that it provided a way to have both Warne and MacGill in the side, whilst also having a third quick - something which we barely did.

Keep in mind, we didn't have a test all rounder for about 20 years. Partially out of not needing one with our attack, and partially due to the two best all-rounders in Aussie cricket during that period being Ian Harvey (never a red ball prospect) and Andy Symonds (really, a batsman who could bowl a bit in red ball cricket). So Watson was still regarded as something of the missing link at that point.

And then injury to his back (he had more than one major back surgery, I recall) meant he had to slow the pace down from high 140 kphs to mid to high 120s. His response was to seriously upskill his batting through spending literally thousands of hours in the nets. The problem is, whilst that's left him technically solid, it means he still only has the instinct of a No. 7 - hence all the LBWs and bowleds. Until he's in, set and seeing it like a beach ball he's still a lower order dasher trying to find his feet. That's why he's so lethal in coloured clothing, because the ball doesn't move anywhere near as much.

Excellent summary, now that is career is over it should be recognised that at times he was the best player in the team.

I've been as critical of him as most, but I think now that his career is over it's probably worth reflecting on the fact that on his day he was great, and the Australian selectors obsession with having a bowling all-rounder meant he was over valued when it was probably time for a change (not his fault).

He also never really got into any trouble off the field nor on it (never known for his sledging)
 

Mr Angry

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Watson was the one who talked up his batting and asked to be top order.

Clarke and the selectors failed there.

Good riddance Watson, I might start enjoying cricket again.

For shytes and giggles, going to fire up my xbox, get Watto out LBW and see if he goes DRS....
 

Mr Spock!

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I can see why Watto kept getting selected. Always made 20s and 30s, so it was clear that talent-wise, he was easily good enough at test level. It always felt like he was going to come good ..match after match after match. Last match was just one too many and the selectors finally had enough.

I can see him going back to shield level and kill it tbh..

Another Graeme Hick.
 

Red Bear

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Wanted Haddin out for some time, but obviously hope his family are ok. I find Brad pretty dislikeable but it is just a game.

@Timbo, weve only had three keeper batsmen. He may be second best but its a lot closer to third than first. Unfortunate that he spent sone of his best years behind an all time great though.

Im not sure Twatto ever quite had it mentally for test cricket
 

Timbo

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Watson was the one who talked up his batting and asked to be top order.

Again, that's not entirely fair to Watson. He wanted to bat at the top of the order and when asked by journalists used to say exactly that.

If Fox Sports interviewed me tonight and asked if I would like to play in the Lords test, I think I'd say yes too.

Watson was free to want to bat wherever he wanted. It was up to management to put him at 6 and it took them years to actually do that.
 

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