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lockyno1

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Twizzle said:
nothing wrong with their tennis game when they were at their peak

I can't stand Maria's grunting either, I find it really annoying when watching a game of tennis

I find Serena's game really boring, ace or winners all the time. Very boring to watch. No craft on the court whatsoever. At least venus volleys quite a bit.
 

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Mired in betting scandals, riven by infighting and alarmed by recent poor performances on the pitch, German soccer needs anything but more controversy in the few months remaining before it hosts the World Cup. But some recent cases of blatant racism are doing further damage to its image.

Nigerian player Adebowale Ogungbure, of fourth division FC Sachsen Leipzig is sick of racist abuse against him at matches.
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Nigerian player Adebowale Ogungbure, of fourth division FC Sachsen Leipzig is sick of racist abuse against him at matches.
It started with a Hitler salute. Two eastern German soccer teams in the fourth division, FC Sachsen Leipzig and Hallesche FC, had just drawn 2-2 on March 25 in Halle, and the fans weren't happy.

Leipzig's Nigerian midfielder Adebowale Ogungbure was walking off the pitch when hooligans ran up to him, spat at him and called him "Dirty n****r," "sh*t n****r" and "Ape." He ignored it and walked on. Then, when he passed the main stand and heard fans making whooping monkey noises at him, he decided he'd had enough. He put two fingers above his mouth to symbolise a Hitler moustache and stuck out his right arm in a Nazi salute to the crowd.

Given their behavior, one might think they would have appreciated the gesture and even returned it. But a Halle supporter attacked him from behind with a corner flag and another grabbed him in a stranglehold. Ogungbure pushed them away as a teammate intervened and dragged him towards the tunnel, to the safety of the changing rooms.

"I was just so angry, I didn't care. I could have been killed but I had to do something," Ogungbure told SPIEGEL ONLINE last week. "I thought to myself, what can I do to get them as angry as they have made me? Then when I lifted my arm I saw the anger in their faces and I started to laugh."

"I've faced some sort of racist abuse at about half the matches I've played," he said, but the spitting was too much on March 25. "I've never seen anyone spit at a dog or a cat in Germany -- why should I be spat at?"

The story took a grotesque turn when Ogungbure was charged with "unconstitutional behavior" for making the Hitler salute, which is illegal in Germany. The public prosecutor's office wisely dropped proceedings within 24 hours. But the incident made nationwide headlines and spurred a flurry of reports suggesting racist abuse is rife in the lower leagues where crowds are smaller and fewer police are present.

Rolf Heller, president of FC Sachsen Leipzig, played down the incident and said it was an isolated case. "This has nothing whatsoever to do with right wing extremism, it is just misguided fervor on the part of the fans," he said. Ogungbure said he informed Heller long ago about the hostility he faces. His answer: "They only want to wind you up."


FIFA toughens penalties

The case came to the attention of the governing body of world football, FIFA, which recently implemented tougher penalties for clubs whose fans engage in racist behavior. Possible sanctions now include match suspensions, the deduction of points, relegation or elimination from competitions.

The new rules were introduced in response to recent acts of racism in the top Spanish and Italian leagues but FIFA Secretary-General Urs Linsi told German newspaper Tagesspiegel last week: "We will of course also make sure that something like this is punished in Germany's fourth division as well."

So clubs had better start getting their act together, because greeting black players with ape noises and riling against foreigners is a frequent occurrence, especially, it appears, at matches involving teams from eastern Germany where unemployment is high and support for far-right parties has been strongest in recent years.

Last weekend at a lower division match between Hamburg St. Pauli and eastern club Chemnitz FC, visiting Chemnitz fans stormed Turkish-owned stores chanting "Sieg Heil" and waving imitation Nazi flags. Some shouted: "We're going to build a subway from St Pauli to Auschwitz."

Such behavior is bad enough at any time, but especially damaging now with Germany trying to project a cosmopolitan image under a World Cup slogan: "A Time to Make Friends."

Neo-Nazis plan to spoil World Cup

German officials last week admitted the far right may try to capitalize on the month-long World Cup, which starts July 9. Interior Minister Wolfgang Schäuble said neo-Nazi groups were planning to use the tournament to raise their profile.

German national team player Patrick Owomoyela (center) during a match between Germany and Turkey. The German home strip, red in this case, usually consists of a white shirt and black shorts.
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German national team player Patrick Owomoyela (center) during a match between Germany and Turkey. The German home strip, red in this case, usually consists of a white shirt and black shorts.
The far-right NPD party and other neo-Nazi groups apparently want to stage a "freedom of speech" march in Gelsenkirchen, in the Ruhr Valley, and further demonstrations in Leipzig, Berlin, and Nuremberg, to show solidarity with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has openly denied the Holocaust and suggested that Israel should be "wiped off the map."

The NPD is also already actively fomenting soccer xenophobia by offering a World Cup match fixtures guide that calls for Germany to field only white-skinned players.

The list is headlined "WHITE -- not just a soccer shirt color -- for a real NATIONAL team." It has a picture of a player bearing the number 25 -- the number used by national team player Patrick Owomoyela, who has a Nigerian father.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,409517,00.html
 

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So, because German football players call them apes, it's a universally racist term? Last I checked, we don't even speak German in Australia. The Germans invented bold new ways to be racist - I don't think comparing their antics to criticising a generally abrasive tennis player who just happens to be black is warranted.

Besides, I haven't heard anyone sledging Venus. Or is she whiter than Serena?
 

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From Slavery To Self-Defamation: An Interpretive History Of The "N Word"
By Orlis Trone

From the beginning, blacks were branded with the "N word." The beginning began in 1619, when 20 black Africans descended the gang-plank of a Dutch trading vessel into the hell of Jamestown, Virginia.

The "N word" put a bounty on the black race, a price tag that sent "slaver" ships crossing the ocean at top-knot speed to dock at Africa’s "Door of No Return." Exiting through this door, two by two, chained Africans boarded the "slavers" and were packed—sardine-tight—in the ships’ filthy cargo holes. These vessels then up’d anchor and set sail for the West Indies, where torturous degradation was inflicted to render the Africans servile and slave-ready for a life-span of back-breaking toil in the American colonies.

The "N word," its social meaning, that is, gave occasion to the "peculiar institution" of colonial slavery, the societal order that defined the black race out of its human identity. It represents this country’s most heinously brutal aggression against an unprovocative people. The hatred within just that one word is so egregiously evil that it, alone, accomplished the total dehumanization of the black race. The "N word" is America’s "degenerative genes" ("Bell Curve") word, the "genetic deficiency" lie, made-up to equate blacks more with the "lower animal" than with mankind. This, effectively, reduced black people to beasts of toil—like oxen or elephants or sled dogs or mules—to be worked, sold and bought, bequeathed and inherited, like any other livestock.

The "N word" was incubated in racism to spawn a nomenclature of derogatory designations with which to vilify blacks. These epithets spread out from Virginia over all America, like a metastasizing disease: moron, gorilla, jiggerbo, monkey, baboon, black ape, buffoon, spic, sambo, tar-baby, darkie, n_____-waiter, all specifically applied to deny—utterly--any trace of human dignity to black people.

The "N word" broke more bones than "sticks and stones." It broke apart thousands upon thousands of black families. It broke parents apart from children, siblings apart from siblings and husbands apart from wives.

The "N word" created the "wanted poster" for runaway slaves, called the "Fugitive Slave Act." It was this "law" that authorized the return of Dred Scott to his "rightful owner," John Sandford. For rebellious slaves, the likes of merkina Kinte, who still refused to "stay put," their masters could pluck out an eye, cut off an ear or chop off a foot.

The "N word" disallowed blacks to be taught to read and write the English language, and criminalized the act of doing so.

The "N word" guaranteed the opportunistic success of D.W. Griffith’s movie, "The Birth of a Nation," which did its part to glamorize the nighttime terrorists of "white supremacy," the dreaded Ku Klux Klan.

The "N word" was the white minstrel in blackface, acting out a caricaturized impersonation to portray black people as a race of self-degrading "happy darkies," eager to make buffoons of themselves.

The "N word" reduced black individuality to a mass of undifferentiated black pigment, and gave rise to the racist’s declaration: "They all look alike to me."

The "N word" justified the duplication of public facilities—duplicate drinking fountains, duplicate restrooms, duplicate entry-ways, railway cars, lunch counters, etcetera, marked "Whites Only" or "colored," in the segregated and unequal society of "Jim Crow."

The "N word" was invoked to force blacks to sit in the back seats of the bus, and threw Rosa Parks in jail when she refused to surrender her seat to a white passenger.

The "N word" was captured in "The Problem We All Live With," Norman Rockwell’s poignant painting of a little black girl, dwarfed by four giant U.S. Marshals, being escorted past a wall, scrawled with epithets, to integrate an all-white school.

The "N word" motivated George Wallace, Governor of Alabama, to "block the schoolhouse door."

The "N word" was yelled out by racist bombers just before the explosion that blew up the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama, killing four little black girls.

The "N word" sanctioned the "sic-um" command issued by Sheriff Eugene "Bull" Connor to his vicious K-9 attack dogs, which tore into the flesh of peaceful black protesters—men, women and children.

The "N word" is full with the toil, sweat, tears and blood of the black race. It marks the graveyard that bulges with the remains of its black victims. All those who suffocated in the cargo holes of the "slaver" ships or flung themselves into the shark infested waters of the "Middle Passage," are buried there. Nat Turner and Steven Biko lie there, as do the remains of fourteen year old Emmet Till. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Medger Evers and James Chaney are buried there, as are Arthur McDuffy, Malice Green and, added just today, James Byrd Jr.; "N_____-lovers" are buried there, too. The remains of William Lloyd Garrison, Thomas Paine and Harriet Beecher Stowe lie there, as do the remains of Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy. Viola Luizzo is buried there, as are the remains of James B. Read, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner, and all the others whom the "N word" has caused to be maligned, maimed or murdered from 1619 to just now.

Essentially, the "N word" is a one-word language, a full vocabulary that speaks volumes about the four-hundred years of "hate-crimes" committed against the black race. Where man’s inhumanity to man is concerned, the "N word" says it all.

For all of the above reasons—from 1619 to four-hundred years later—black people never took the "N word" as anything but a racist’s short-hand for "black slave"—until now, that is. Suddenly—and sadly—some blacks seem to have been seized up by a full-blown case of "n_____"-of-the-mouth disease. Anymore, black rappers, comedians, superstars, athletes, "leaders" and a monolith of black followers, have taken the "N word" and re-invented it as "A term of endearment."

The enigmatic reasoning that the self-defamation of one black person calling another black person the "N word" is hide-toughening, soul-inuring and self-esteem building, is as weird an absurdity as the "peculiar institution" of slavery, itself. Blacks who do so fail to comprehend that they spit into a racist wind, which blows the expectorant back to desecrate the genealogical headstone that records the history of so much black toil, black suffering and black death.

To redefine the "N word" as black-friendly and to redeem it as "A term of endearment" is an act of historical revisionism -- by the victims of that horrid word, no less. Given the history of the oppressive cruelty that the "N word" coerced upon black life, it strikes the heart, the memory and the conscience as inconceivable that any of slavery’s offspring would so indulge themselves.

As I write this opinion, Tojo’s daughter’s WWII revisionism is being made into a major motion picture in Tokyo, in which Tojo, that is Japan, is the "aggrieved" and the Allies are the "aggressors." In Germany and around the world, "Skinheads" and other worshippers of "Nazism," are denying that the "Holocaust" ever occurred. Now, the notorious "N word" is upgraded from a "hate-crime" word to "A term of endearment." Whether done from an error of judgment or from the ulterior motive of a professional revisionist, there is only one result of truth being evicted out of history, and it is spelled out in the truism of the forewarning that "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

http://www.webcom.com/intvoice/trone.html
 

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Go Serena! Half her way to the final! :D




P.S. I dont see anything she does that would cause people to dislike her.
Clothing - Most girls in tennis wear skimpy dresses LOL
Style of play - Who cares they can play how they want as long as it is fair
Behaviour/personality - Nothing wrong with her
 

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You can post all the definitions you want, just because Twizzle said she bore resemblance to an ape doesn't mean he meant it in a racist context. No amount of definitions can change that. He could just as easily have meant she was unintelligent, by your own definition. I've certainly never seen or heard much to convince me she had a lot in the grey matter stakes.

We're arguing semantics. The only person who can know if Twizzle meant it in a racist way is Twizzle, and he's already said he didn't.
 

_goParra

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I am not saying Twizzle intended it in a racist way.

What I am trying to indicate is that certain words used with certain type of people will always be interpreted in a racist manner whether it was intended that way or not.
 

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Geohood said:
Go Serena! Half her way to the final! :D




P.S. I dont see anything she does that would cause people to dislike her.
Clothing - Most girls in tennis wear skimpy dresses LOL
Style of play - Who cares they can play how they want as long as it is fair
Behaviour/personality - Nothing wrong with her
Yeah but Serena tends to wear outfits a little too small,she really needs to take after her sister.
No none of this is wrong but I was just trying to point out to Engine that this is why Serena gets so much flak,regardless of her race.
I mean,if this was true James Blake would get just as much crap as well as Li Na(Asian tennis player).

Truth be told I bet Maria gets more crap then both the Williams put together,with her grunting and obsessed father Yuri!
 

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A member of her entourage was playing around with his watch during the match today, directing sunlight into Vaidosova's face when she was serving. They will, and already have denied it, but it looked so obvious and dodgy.
 

Manu Vatuvei

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The abuse should be directed at Sharapova. She is a complete halfwit, an embarrassment, the epitome of the creepy culture that prevails in modern women's tennis.
 

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I really wish she wouldn't grunt,I mean I really think she does it for intimidation when she gets herself into real trouble she doesn't make a sound.
 

Engine

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Man, there are some ignorant buffoons here.

Cowgirl, if you are a fitness instructor, I am a paris international male model, pleasing women wherever I go.
You need to get out of your cocoon and see the real world. If Maria cops more crap, I'll eat my hat.
You live in Brisbane, which may be your saving grace. But, being a racist is not cool. If you want a date with me, drop the racist views.



Im glad to see that there are SOME non-racist supporters here. Goparra and Thierry always make valid comments about the world.
 

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Dilmah said:
Urban Dictionary? LOL.

Lol....it is a fact that dark people find the "ape" term offensive. It shows your lack of knowledge in this debate. But, you'll probably delete this post, so that you don't look bad.
 

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They only come out at night. It's when the guards are getting a little dozy and don't bother to check whether they actually took their medication...
 

Engine

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Here is Mr Ku Klux Klan himself. I have a message for you....SERENA WON, SERENA WON!!!!!!
She will beat your rude bitch next. You must have just finished with Joey's knob and ready to nibble on Noddy's nuts.
 

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She will beat your rude bitch next.

My bitch? I'd shag Sharipova, but she's not my favourite female player. That honour goes to Clijsters. Serena makes necrophelia the attractive alternative.
 
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