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Shane Watson and the tap on the shoulder?

JJ

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Problem is locky thinks Shane Watson is Viv Richards... and BM thinks Phil WilliamGilbertGrace if Gordon Greenidge...

Unfortunately, you are both delusional
 

lockyno1

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Problem is locky thinks Shane Watson is Viv Richards... and BM thinks Phil WilliamGilbertGrace if Gordon Greenidge...

Unfortunately, you are both delusional

Hardly, I think he has talent, but it isn't to play a 300 ball 100, it is more likely to be a 120-150 ball hundred. Now he should be trying to score, that helps him get his feet moving!
 

TheParraboy

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Hardly, I think he has talent, but it isn't to play a 300 ball 100, it is more likely to be a 120-150 ball hundred. Now he should be trying to score, that helps him get his feet moving!

Mate he has got a lot of starts, looked like a world beater, then gets out in common fashion in the 30s 40s 50s. Of course many times under 20 runs

A year ago or so he had a cry that he wasn't getting runs cause he was over bowled. So he doesn't bowl for a few tests and guess what, he doesn't score runs.

After the first test this ashes series he blamed he wasn't right mentally coming in from the one dayers in India (why did he put up his hand to play then?) , but was going to be mentally ready for test 2, guess what - fail again

Under Lehmmans regime we are playing positive cricket, don't kid yourself he is instructed to play 300 ball innings

Its simple the guy has the mental capacity to do real well in One dayers. In test cricket he will be looked at as a below average top order batsman, who can bowl pretty well when uninjured. We need to seriously look to move on from him over the next 6-12 months
 

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After the first test this ashes series he blamed he wasn't right mentally coming in from the one dayers in India (why did he put up his hand to play then?) , but was going to be mentally ready for test 2, guess what - fail again

Under Lehmmans regime we are playing positive cricket, don't kid yourself he is instructed to play 300 ball innings

Its simple the guy has the mental capacity to do real well in One dayers. In test cricket he will be looked at as a below average top order batsman, who can bowl pretty well when uninjured. We need to seriously look to move on from him over the next 6-12 months

I agree on the starts, but that proves my point- why does he then go into his shell? He should be continuing to hit the ball, that is his strength, not nurding singles as he has the turning circle of the Queen Mary between wickets!

He did score 50 in the 2nd test, failed in the 2nd dig chasing quick runs, oh well it happens. Would rather him do the team thing and get out rather than scratch around for 20 off 60.

I would say we do look at moving on, but probably after the next Ashes in England. I like the look of Mitchell Marsh to replace him as a genuine number 6 who bowls long spells.
 

Helmet Man

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No point telling Watto to play his strokes. Batting at #3 in test cricket is an art you have to master and is the most important position in the whole batting lineup. At #3 you are traditionally meant to adapt to the situation and play accordingly, play out overs, look for singles, have a good temperament. Not play with one gear (the attacking mode which Locky is suggesting for Watson). If he can't do what is required for a #3 batsmen then he is simply not good enough to bat at #3. He is an ODI batsmen and should stay that way. Khawaja's style of batting while allow him to potentially be the right guy at #3 if he can actually start scoring because he is that type of batsmen to stick it out and play the situation.
 

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I really think his time is up now.

Playing on past performances and way past his use by date.

Its also time the commentators and media stopped talking him up, he just isn't as good as they make him out to be.
 

Helmet Man

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Dissapointing really. Its criminal to have all the talent in the world but not be able to score runs. Compare Ed Cowan to Shane Watson. I know Ed Cowan isn't that good but I have a level of respect for him because he is a guy with limited ability but works with that and makes most use of it. He just sticks it out. Now Shane Watson has the ability to dominate any bowler in world cricket but time after time again does the same things wrong and doesn't learn.
 

Mr Angry

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If he bats top order in RSA, he seals his own fait.

If Clarkey mans up and bats him 6, he may have a future.

To me, this a Clarke thing more than a Watson thing.
 

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SHAUN Marsh’s brilliant comeback century has left Shane Watson’s immediate Test career in limbo.

Already on the verge of being ruled out of next week’s second Test because of lingering calf problems which will prevent him bowling at full capacity, there is suddenly no room in the team for him now that his replacement, Marsh, has played so well for 148, his highest Test score.

Watson is unlikely to play a Test this series following the match-turning partnership of Marsh and Steve Smith, with debutant Alex Doolan to be given an extended run at number three.

The injury-plagued all-rounder’s only way back may be if Chris Rogers continues to struggle at the top of the order but having made centuries in his last two Tests, in Melbourne and Sydney, the 36-year-old deserves to be cut some slack.

Michael Clarke wanted Marsh on last year’s Ashes tour because of his ability to play pace, which explains a good one-day record opening the batting for Australia, but not a very modest Sheffield Shield career.

The other selectors believed that on form there was no justification, but with coach and selector Darren Lehmann also a Marsh fan they got him on the plane to South Africa, despite an injured calf which initially saw him left behind.

Marsh struggled with his running between wickets at times on the opening day but claimed that it was a strained side, presumably from the blows he received from South Africa’s pace attack, and not his calf which was the problem. He was wearing a lot of ice after stumps on the first day.

A brilliant 199 run unbeaten stand between Steve Smith and Shaun Marsh, who has made a century in his first Test in two years, has put Australia in a commanding position at 4/297 after Day One of the First Test in Centurion.

“I’ve got a bit of a sore side but it’s all good at the moment. It wasn’t so good yesterday. There’s a bit of a strain there but I’ll be all right,” Marsh said before resuming on 122 with Smith 91 not out and Australia well placed at 4-297 after being surprisingly sent in.

More here: http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/cr...t-team-uncertain/story-fnhq5ybi-1226826432948
 

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I dont think thats a well researched article.

Firstly Doolan replaced Watson at 3 and if anything Watson was reportedly moving to 6.

Replacing him with Marsh was not like for like and I've no doubt that they slotted in at 3 and 4 because they are both No 3s so one had to go to 4 and Clarkie and Smiffy slid to 5 and 6.

We'll probably have to wait till the second innings and also see if Marsh is capable of playing 2 tests in a row.

If Watson was being replaced by an all rounder it was gonna be Moises or a fit Faulkner in the long term.
 

BunniesMan

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They are not going to keep Watson out for the sake of Doolan.

If Watson and Marsh are both fit for the 2nd test Doolan will miss out.
 
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I dont think thats a well researched article.

Firstly Doolan replaced Watson at 3 and if anything Watson was reportedly moving to 6.

Replacing him with Marsh was not like for like and I've no doubt that they slotted in at 3 and 4 because they are both No 3s so one had to go to 4 and Clarkie and Smiffy slid to 5 and 6.

We'll probably have to wait till the second innings and also see if Marsh is capable of playing 2 tests in a row.

If Watson was being replaced by an all rounder it was gonna be Moises or a fit Faulkner in the long term.

Doolan replaced Watson despite Marsh not even being in South Africa at the time?
 

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Thats correct.

Funny how Marsh wasn't' fit enough then when Sunshine breaks down all of a sudden he's fit enough.

I know Marsh has done well but I think Doolan deserves more than one chance if Watson comes back in for the second test. Doolan was shitting himself in the first innings but at least he got those nerves out of the way.
 

BunniesMan

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Marsh is obviously ahead of Doolan in the pecking order.

And at this stage Doolan has not done enough to keep Watson out.

Marsh at 3 and Watson at 6 if everyone is fully fit for the next test.
 

Twizzle

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don't need Sunshine anymore, Doolan and Marsh both ahead of him for mine
 

TheParraboy

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don't need Sunshine anymore, Doolan and Marsh both ahead of him for mine

I can see Rogers getting the flick for the 3rd test if he doesn't get some runs in the 2nd, in particularly if we lose a test, and Sunshine to merrily slot back into opener :?
 

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