Sharks cap superthread - latest: NRL clears Flanagan to assistant coach from 2020

[taipan]

Seeing the Sharks fans try and defend this on social media is hilarious.

The very same people who were baying for blood in 2010, appalled by the systematic cheating, are now clambering over one another to defend it. Almost all of them are now trying to say, "This is way different to the Storm in 2010, we were under the cap, we just didn't record our TPAs correctly".

Huh??? That is exactly the same you disingenuous people. Not reporting all TPAs to the NRL, organising a number of TPAs, using existing club sponsors, guaranteeing TPA payments = All illegal TPA deals. If it is illegal, it gets included in your Salary Cap - THE SAME AS US!

As we all agree, YOU are hypocrites.

We wait till everything comes out.And take whatever punishment needed if it is needed.Then you can bay for as much blood as you wish,or maybe just a whimper.

BTW will have to ask players ,whether they have a new boat in their garage.
Waldron was described as what by news exec ATT.........................

 

[taipan]

That is not like for like as the Storm were forced to include 3rd party deals that the NRL had already signed off on inc Cameron Smiths salary for working on Foxtel.

It was an absolute witch hunt.

I think the revelations that came out re Waldron over a decent period,were a little more than like for like.
Systematic,planned to escape notice.

 

[Storms Light Fire]

You are quoting a News Corp exec. Seriously!

I thought we had worked out after Kent et al that News Corp were the collective enemy of the game.

 

[Miller was a legend]

You are quoting a News Corp exec. Seriously!

I thought we had worked out after Kent et al that News Corp were the collective enemy of the game.

Well you are right about Kent and the other flogs

 

[unforgiven]

Number of games should not be a factor when determining the points, John Morris played 300 games and his contract should not be determined by that.

 

[taipan]

A normal CEO would just say they are cap compliant for 2018.

A moron CEO would say they are $500K under the cap.... which actually makes them not compliant under the terms of the current CBA.

The sharks it seems have since made statements that they will spend their entire cap this year, so toddles was indeed pulling figures out his ass

Why because you say so, that'll tell them.Russell has hired some guy from the NRL at the outset to audit the books.Hence the irregularity.

They have to spend 95% of their cap minimum.Toddles is doing nothing more than spelling out the rules and regulations,which judging by some of the comments here ,with assumptions and hypotheticals ,plucking thoughts out of the air.
The Sharks have done that, because of some fans not understanding the requirements.Maybe they need to get though to morons.

 

[Storms Light Fire]

My thoughts are cheating is cheating. It is all systematic and if you are going to take a holier than though approach to it all, then you could rationale anything. I can prove half of the so called Melbourne Storm salary cap rorts had been previously signed off by the NRL but they wanted a big scalp at the time

 

[Storms Light Fire]

Number of games should not be a factor when determining the points, John Morris played 300 games and his contract should not be determined by that.

There are many factors involved and that is just a small one but yes as a player gets worse statistically , his points value goes down

 

[taipan]

It’s not.

But teams have to submit their cap compliance long before oct 31. In fact they need to show their cap compliance before the season even starts usually, so the NRL can approve contracts when signing players for upcoming seasons.

Anyone listening to Greenberg would have to take his information as meaning the sharks are $500k over the entire season. Not just as a running total to this point, which is completely meaningless.

And it's now not even Sept FFS.
Only and idiot would think the Sharks are over $500,000 this season.A bleeding 12 year could understand if you still have $500,00 available,you aren;t over it.

 

[unforgiven]

There are many factors involved and that is just a small one but yes as a player gets worse statistically , his points value goes down

A crap player at 100 games should be the same as a crap player at 300

 

[Storms Light Fire]

Agreed as long as it can be statistically proven he is crap

 

[taipan]

My thoughts are cheating is cheating. It is all systematic and if you are going to take a holier than though approach to it all, then you could rationale anything. I can prove half of the so called Melbourne Storm salary cap rorts had been previously signed off by the NRL but they wanted a big scalp at the time

I've said all along if there is out and out cheating, then pay the consequences.But the penalty if there are to be ones, are based on a number of factors, just like a court of law.Intent,time,amount,whether it impacted a season etc .A one off spur of the moment decision ,yes is cheating, but working on a system to do it over a period of time, is far greater rort of the systems ,a blatant thumbing ones nose at teh rules and regulations.

Why would I need to take a holier than thou approach.I follow a club that has more ups and downs, the latter of their own making ,to make a roller coaster.Hardly working from an ivory tower.

A drink driver .06 ,is over the limit, and is treated a lot less harshly, than one who is twice the legal limit.Yet in both cases they can be a menace to others on the road.

You can argue about the harshness of the Storm situation, but having News as a partner in the NRL and owning the Storm didn't help the situation IMO.

And I don't believe( unless proved wrong) the previous Shark's CEO would countenance ,what Waldron did.

 

[carcharias]

f**k the storm

 

[Storms Light Fire]

Cheating is cheating. Being over the limit is over the limit.There is no buts or maybes.

If you are in a fatal accident at drink driving .06 or drink driving .10, you are still culpable of murder/manslaughter.

The last thing in the world I would ever want is for the Sharks to lose their premiership because I personally know how unfair that is.

 

[txta2]

Cheating is cheating. Being over the limit is over the limit.There is no buts or maybes.

If you are in a fatal accident at drink driving .06 or drink driving .10, you are still culpable of murder/manslaughter.

The last thing in the world I would ever want is for the Sharks to lose their premiership because I personally know how unfair that is.

But getting caught is another thing. The way the cap system is setup its open to cheating with TPP.

Ive heard commentators like MG and Cooper saying some players at clubs like the Broncos are only paid by TPP, without batting an eyelid.
It's a joke, and with clubs that have constant management and board changes there will always be issues with payments from third parties.
Unless of course you are the Broncos or Roosters.

 

[greenBV4]

This points system sounds interesting, the way I see it is it doesn't matter how much extra money clubs through at players, it comes down to the points and the "point cap" would exist to put a limit on how many star players a team has, regardless of what they are paid

The finer details though become a bit complicated, and this is the NRL, i don't think they are capable of complicated

In regards to the Sharks.. the only thing I find a bit fishy is the fact that, regardless of the amounts, how is it that they were over the cap in 2015, then all of a sudden clean for a premiership year, then over again in 2017, then clean again for the current year? seems a bit weird.. and "lucky"
not an attack on the sharks, just my thoughts regardless of what club it is

 

[Lebbo73]

Apparently the Sharks are $500000 below the cap this year, straight from the NRL

Greenberg was confused when he said that. He thought the salary cap was $12m.

 

[Miller was a legend]

This points system sounds interesting, the way I see it is it doesn't matter how much extra money clubs through at players, it comes down to the points and the "point cap" would exist to put a limit on how many star players a team has, regardless of what they are paid

The finer details though become a bit complicated, and this is the NRL, i don't think they are capable of complicated

In regards to the Sharks.. the only thing I find a bit fishy is the fact that, regardless of the amounts, how is it that they were over the cap in 2015, then all of a sudden clean for a premiership year, then over again in 2017, then clean again for the current year? seems a bit weird.. and "lucky"
not an attack on the sharks, just my thoughts regardless of what club it is

Not sure about 2015 - 16 however don’t forget Cap increase from 17 to 18

 

[Generalzod]

Greenberg was confused when he said that. He thought the salary cap was $12m.

Lol is that the Broncos salary cap

 

[Generalzod]

f**k the storm

No truer words spoken f**k em