Should NRL expansion just be about TV $'s?

[Lockyer4President!]

Ahh.. but he doesn't go into detail as to HOW to get 16 strong teams.. relocations could be part of the solution to that problem if KPIs aren't met.

Yeah reading the rest of the interview this morning I'm not so fussed. Just one sentence out of the bigger article.

 

[Perth Red]

Really? You think the arlc has the balls to cut or relocate Sydney teams? Look how high they jump whenever Gould or politis whinge.

 

[RoosTah]

Really? You think the arlc has the balls to cut or relocate Sydney teams? Look how high they jump whenever Gould or politis whinge.

Gould and Politis both represent very very wealthy clubs... so that's a pretty moot point. Would Politis give two shits if the ARLC were offering Wests Tigers an incentive to move? I doubt it...

 

[reanimate]

Queensland is definitely worthy of another team and possibly Perth or New Zealand but you can’t do any of this until the 16 teams are strong.

How about making a call on the CC at least, so RL in Northern Sydney can come out of the stupid limbo it's stuck in?

 

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if the bears haven't taken the hint yet they never will, CC will never get a team.

 

[flippikat]

How about making a call on the CC at least, so RL in Northern Sydney can come out of the stupid limbo it's stuck in?

Spot on. We need a clear call on how the NRL wants to handle the Central Coast.

Basically, are the Bears wasting their time or not?

Further to that, if the Bears are NOT going to be back via the Central Coast, does the NRL intend to induce a current NRL club to relocate there (either partially or fully)?

Simple as that.

Expansion to Perth, Brisbane2 and NZ 2 is logical & bound to happen when they FINALLY expand but the Central Coast is the real elephant in the room because of the whole rotten story bad luck story of Norths - the SOLE Sydney club with the forsight to jump outside of Sydney before they were pushed.

A firm decision has to be made about whether it should have a team, and if so - how/when that should happen.

 

[Perth Red]

Its hard to know if they just don't want to say what their vision is for fear of alienating NRL fans in that region who give up on the game or if they genuinely don't have a clue on what they are going to do? Aside from most at NRL saying Brisbane2 is a no brainer the rhetoric around perth, wellington, Gosford, CQ etc is just spinning everyone along and has been since 2008. I hold little hope the Shane Richardson whole of game review is going to tell us anything we don't already know or have any greater impact than the 18 month whole game of review that shane mattise did.

 

[Last Week]

I think we’ll have a strong regional footprint, Pacific Islands in a second tier competition.

This one interests me. Obviously with the Hunters in the ISC and a Fiji team possibly in the NSW Cup, but I wonder if there will be a revamped second tier comp that is national, hell even international.

PNG, Fiji, NZ, + a hand full of NSW and Qld teams? I can dream.

 

[Foreign Legion]

This one interests me. Obviously with the Hunters in the ISC and a Fiji team possibly in the NSW Cup, but I wonder if there will be a revamped second tier comp that is national, hell even international.

PNG, Fiji, NZ, + a hand full of NSW and Qld teams? I can dream.

1 PNG team
1 Fiji Team
2 NZ teams North Island and South Island
4 from Queenland
4 from NSW
1 from WA.....

 

[flippikat]

This one interests me. Obviously with the Hunters in the ISC and a Fiji team possibly in the NSW Cup, but I wonder if there will be a revamped second tier comp that is national, hell even international.

PNG, Fiji, NZ, + a hand full of NSW and Qld teams? I can dream.

A bolstered 2nd tier also provides a good proving competition for future NRL expansion areas. If a strategically valuable location can run a successful club in the 2nd tier, then surely it's more compelling than a business case on paper.

*cough*Ipswich Jets*cough* ;-)

 

[insert.pause]

This one interests me. Obviously with the Hunters in the ISC and a Fiji team possibly in the NSW Cup, but I wonder if there will be a revamped second tier comp that is national, hell even international.

PNG, Fiji, NZ, + a hand full of NSW and Qld teams? I can dream.

Grant said they will try to give areas that may never get NRL sides representation in second tier comps.

I think they will stay as separate competitions with the conference style state championship game linking them.

I think Fiji & Wellington will have sides in a revamped NSW CUP to mirror the sucess of the QLD Cup and I really don't understand opposition to it, it works fine in Qld.

 

[flippikat]

Grant said they will try to give areas that may never get NRL sides representation in second tier comps.

I think they will stay as separate competitions with the conference style state championship game linking them.

I think Fiji & Wellington will have sides in a revamped NSW CUP to mirror the sucess of the QLD Cup and I really don't understand opposition to it, it works fine in Qld.

If Queensland can reconcile their city and country footy into one top league that sits just under the NRL, surely there's hope for NSW to do likewise? I don?t know how many country centres outside Newcastle, Wyong & Illawarra could sustain 2nd tier teams, but the scope for teams from NZ, Perth, Fiji etc is there - and for some of those non-NSW locations it will be a good stepping stone towards a fully fledged NRL club. (You could even place Adelaide in that category eventually)

 

[Perth Red]

My only concern is that it costs a lot of money to run a. Nsw cup team, without an NRL link up it is hard to be competitive and for somewhere like wa our systems haven't been invested in enough to generate enough local players to be competitive. We tried it with a jim beam cup side for 3 years and tbh we struggled at that level. Since then. Our sg ball is doing better but the best of those kids get snapped up by NRL teams as is.

I think there may be even less players in Fiji than WA so going to be interesting to see how competitive they can be.

 

[Last Week]

Grant said they will try to give areas that may never get NRL sides representation in second tier comps.

I think they will stay as separate competitions with the conference style state championship game linking them.

I think Fiji & Wellington will have sides in a revamped NSW CUP to mirror the sucess of the QLD Cup and I really don't understand opposition to it, it works fine in Qld.

Yeah, that's fair enough, and understandable. If another competition was created to sit between NRL and the state cups, it will damage the branding that those competitions already have. It does make sense to strengthen and broaden both the state cups as they're well established.

It seems a bit dicky to me for the Qld cup to have some teams that aren't based in Queensland (PNG), and NSW to have others (eg Fiji, WA, NZ). My ideal solution is to attempt to bring the two competitions a bit closer. Having some cross over matches between sides of the two competitions. Doesn't have to be many, 3 or 4.

 

[Last Week]

My only concern is that it costs a lot of money to run a. Nsw cup team, without an NRL link up it is hard to be competitive and for somewhere like wa our systems haven't been invested in enough to generate enough local players to be competitive. We tried it with a jim beam cup side for 3 years and tbh we struggled at that level. Since then. Our sg ball is doing better but the best of those kids get snapped up by NRL teams as is.

I think there may be even less players in Fiji than WA so going to be interesting to see how competitive they can be.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the NSW cup teams don't get any funding from the NRL do they? It's all from their own pockets and their NRL team link up?

I'd like to see the state cup teams take care of all junior development in their teams area, and the NRL teams only have first grade to worry about. The ARLC or the state bodies can give a grant to the state cup teams.

This would raise an issue of junior competitions, such as SG Ball, Harold Matts, Meninga and Connell Cups, as NRL clubs lose money participating in these competitions (I know that's the case for SG and HM) so there would be further strain on the state cup teams if they had to look after these competitions as well.

 

[flippikat]

Yeah, that's fair enough, and understandable. If another competition was created to sit between NRL and the state cups, it will damage the branding that those competitions already have. It does make sense to strengthen and broaden both the state cups as they're well established.

It seems a bit dicky to me for the Qld cup to have some teams that aren't based in Queensland (PNG), and NSW to have others (eg Fiji, WA, NZ). My ideal solution is to attempt to bring the two competitions a bit closer. Having some cross over matches between sides of the two competitions. Doesn't have to be many, 3 or 4.

In an ideal situation, we'd have an equal number of teams in NSW cup and Qld cup, so that there's 2 "interleague" rounds.

One round where the Qld cup teams select their opponents from NSW cup (this choice is made after the end of the previous year, Qld cup minor premiers get first pick, then so on down the table until wooden spooners get last pick. For the 2nd "interleague" round, the NSW cup teams get the pick of opponents, again from minor premier down to wooden spooners.

Play the interleague rounds during the same weekend as 2 of the stand-alone origins, and all of a sudden you have lots of games to choose from to take up the tv schedule slack while the NRL first grade is having a weekend off.

You could even have a third interleague weekend where last season's minor premiers right through to wooden spooners play their counterpart from across the border... and there you go - 3 standalone origin weekends with lots of 2nd tier footy - and the best of those rounds can fill regular NRL timeslots.

 

[insert.pause]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the NSW cup teams don't get any funding from the NRL do they? It's all from their own pockets and their NRL team link up?

I'd like to see the state cup teams take care of all junior development in their teams area, and the NRL teams only have first grade to worry about. The ARLC or the state bodies can give a grant to the state cup teams.

This would raise an issue of junior competitions, such as SG Ball, Harold Matts, Meninga and Connell Cups, as NRL clubs lose money participating in these competitions (I know that's the case for SG and HM) so there would be further strain on the state cup teams if they had to look after these competitions as well.

A $10.8 million funding injection by the NRL into the game's second tier will result in the return of two curtain-raisers before NRL matches and confirmation of a ''Super Bowl'' play-off on grand-final day between the NSW Cup and Queensland Cup winners.

The landmark review into rugby league's pathways has been signed off by the ARL Commission, and only needs the expected rubber-stamping by the QRL and NRL clubs before being in place for next year. Officials charged with leading the review of the second-tier pathways opted against bringing back a reserve-grade competition or making significant changes to the Holden Cup, instead deciding on the massive investment in the state leagues.

''This is very significant,'' said NRL chief operating officer Jim Doyle, who led the pathways review along with head of football Todd Greenberg. ''This shows that we're very much looking at whole-of-game, and not just the 16 NRL clubs.

''There are 25 other teams now that are going to be part of the NRL system. It's a real significant step for us to put $10.8 million into the competition at that level to enhance that competition, to raise the standards, whether it be facilities or medical standards. It's a real investment for the game, to show that we're wider than just the NRL.''

The funding will be poured into the competitions over the next three years. Each club will receive $100,000 a year, provided they achieve certain criteria. The other million dollars annually will be apportioned as decided by a newly formed State Cup group, which includes NSWRL chief executive David Trodden, QRL boss Rob Moore and Greenberg.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-tier-with-108m-injection-20131123-2y2j5.html

 

[alien]

Wow in ten years we MIGHT have two new teams.

A ballsy CEO would be looking at 4 new teams and cutting some of the dead wood out. Waiting for 16 strong existing teams is like waiting for Father Christmas to deliver your Easter eggs!

bingo. in fact the ceo wouldn't even have to be that ballsy. 2 new teams at the start of the next tv deal (2018) and 2 more teams at the start of the tv deal after that (2023)

 

[alien]

Spot on. We need a clear call on how the NRL wants to handle the Central Coast.

Basically, are the Bears wasting their time or not?

Further to that, if the Bears are NOT going to be back via the Central Coast, does the NRL intend to induce a current NRL club to relocate there (either partially or fully)?

Simple as that.

Expansion to Perth, Brisbane2 and NZ 2 is logical & bound to happen when they FINALLY expand but the Central Coast is the real elephant in the room because of the whole rotten story bad luck story of Norths - the SOLE Sydney club with the forsight to jump outside of Sydney before they were pushed.

A firm decision has to be made about whether it should have a team, and if so - how/when that should happen.

it seems like the roosters are partly relocating to the central coast. actually it's more like picking up an extra area

 

[alien]

A bolstered 2nd tier also provides a good proving competition for future NRL expansion areas. If a strategically valuable location can run a successful club in the 2nd tier, then surely it's more compelling than a business case on paper.

*cough*Ipswich Jets*cough* ;-)

you should do something about that cough!