Should there be 2 teams in Brisbane?

[Loudstrat]

There is no evidence they will get behind them either!

Adelaide got the same stats in their first few games. Now they cannot crack 10k.

 

[Loudstrat]

Yet you list 5 clubs that died, and 2 that merged, and another one that went through name changes, stadium changes and a sh*tload of internal turmoil. Clearly, yes, in a group of clubs that were destined not to survive, South Queensland were one of them :lol::lol:

 

[Karl]

Yet you list 5 clubs that died, and 2 that merged, and another one that went through name changes, stadium changes and a sh*tload of internal turmoil. Clearly, yes, in a group of clubs that were destined not to survive, South Queensland were one of them :lol::lol:

Kind of a good point....

 

[Card Shark]

The fan base thing - why would anyone support them?

Existing League fans follow a club. New clubs get fans purely because these fans are locals who adopt the club purely because they become their local team.

The people of Brisbane already have a local team.

Now it doesnt take a genius like Einstein, Steven Hawking or Ray Price to work pout that Reds fans will be Sandgropers supporting their local club. So who will become the Bombers supporter?

Thuis type of piggy back club has only been done twice before. South Queensland and Hunter. At a point of antagonism between them and their older home-town rivals, these clubs recorded the most abysmal run of crowd stats in living memory. Hunter struggled to get 1k to games.

And you think a repeat is a good idea?

Brisbane is a huge population, and can easily handle more than one club, but it should have happened in 1988. The carcasses of dead clubs from SEQ is staggering.

The bid has it's best chance by being Logan, Ipswitch or Redcliffe.

Common sense all that

 

[Perth Red]

There is no evidence they will get behind them either!

Adelaide got the same stats in their first few games. Now they cannot crack 10k.

hence why I said we shall see if and when the Bombers get their recruitment of members happening, there is no evidence for what will happen tomorrow you are right there, pleased you finally agree!

As for Adelaide pffff, we give them a team, we take the team away (despite reasonable backing) we ignore the place for 10 years with virtually zero investment, media coverage or opportunity, and you wonder why less than 10k turn up? Last season we had at least 19 games draw less than 10k and 16 of them were games played in Sydney, people in glass houses and all that!

 

[Loudstrat]

F*ck off with your repetetive Sydney bashing gimp. I do wonder why less than 10k turned up for a much hyped one off game in a place you reckon is essential to have in a comp.

Clearly you are happy to see low crowds anywhere but Sydney.

Anyway - there is no reason for anyone to become a Bombers supporter.

 

[Beowulf]

And just to further your NSW paranoia you will note that out of the lowest drawing games in '97 75% were NSW clubs home games

But what % of the teams in the comps were from NSW?

 

[Loudstrat]

Yes, it's funny that Perth Tard only attacks NSW - as if the presence of that state stops the Bombers. He always finds a way to bag NSW even when that state has absolutely nothing to do with the subject. I hope he is seeing a shrink about his mental issues!

 

[Joker's Wild]

There are Bears and Reds avatars on here because they both a) are campaigning to get into the NRL and b) still alive as a club in the lower grades. The Crushers are neither.

Again Loudy, you underestimate just how much support an alternative to the Broncos will garner. The Bombers is a shite name but we all need to remember the GC campaigned under the name Dolphins right until just before they were let back in.

Its funny seeing some pro-Bears posters in here look for any reason to knock down other bids, knowing that they have lost the battle against the Reds and are staring down the barrel of coming 3rd in a 2 position race

 

[Perth Red]

F*ck off with your repetetive Sydney bashing gimp. I do wonder why less than 10k turned up for a much hyped one off game in a place you reckon is essential to have in a comp.

Clearly you are happy to see low crowds anywhere but Sydney.

Anyway - there is no reason for anyone to become a Bombers supporter.

It's just too easy!

 

[Loudstrat]

You are about as insightful as a besser brick. How come you are so dead set against bids from Logan/Ipswich/Redcliffe?

Oh and PR, you already falling on the Popeye defence? That is - when you have given your very best for 4 pages and end up looking like a complete spastic -claim you were fishing. :lol:

 

[Joker's Wild]

You are about as insightful as a besser brick. How come you are so dead set against bids from Logan/Ipswich/Redcliffe?

Oh and PR, you already falling on the Popeye defence? That is - when you have given your very best for 4 pages and end up looking like a complete spastic -claim you were fishing. :lol:

Is that 1st part directed at me?

If so, what makes you think I am against any bid at all? I support all bids for expansion, not just one.

 

[Goddo]

Regardless of any other bid or consideration

The situation in SE Queensland is that the area's population can probably support 2 more NRL sides than it does, and the sooner the game does it the better for a variety of reasons -

(supporting the QRL Cup, more junior pathways, more funding for lower grades, more money for the NRL through TV and Sponsorships, local sponsors who want a local team to sponsor other than the Broncos monopoly, more local exposure for the game, improved facilities, etc)

How the NRL intends on carving up the region is tricky, but as I have pointed out before they have two options:

1. Regional teams in Suburban belts, leaving the city to the Broncos - Ipswich-Logan, Redcliffe-Sunshine Coast are the best two options.

2. Two city clubs in a Man City/Man United style arangment and one regional club - getting the identity of the second club right is the hard part. It can't just be a clone of the first. Get the identity right and it will be a success.

The problem with the Bombers bid is they haven't got the identity/image/public face/engagement aspect right at all.

The idea of a second Brisbane club playing at Suncorp is still a good one. The Bombers are just a poor example of it. There is still time for them to turn it around though.

Looking at where they will be based, maybe a better name would have been Brisbane Valleys with a Kookaburra logo.

 

[Loudstrat]

Is that 1st part directed at me?

If so, what makes you think I am against any bid at all? I support all bids for expansion, not just one.

You are arguing that the Bombers is the must-have-guaranteed-of-success bid, when I said the other options were better. have you forgotten that overnight?????????

 

[bobmar28]

F*ck off with your repetetive Sydney bashing gimp. I do wonder why less than 10k turned up for a much hyped one off game in a place you reckon is essential to have in a comp.

Clearly you are happy to see low crowds anywhere but Sydney.

Anyway - there is no reason for anyone to become a Bombers supporter.

Low crowds are only a problem in Sydney. If Sydney really needs 9 teams then it is not ok for any of those teams to have low attendances.

Also, nobody should become a Bombers supporter. Jets yes, Bombers no.

 

[Joker's Wild]

You are arguing that the Bombers is the must-have-guaranteed-of-success bid, when I said the other options were better. have you forgotten that overnight?????????

lol what? I never said any such thing, stop making crap up.

YOU are the one saying the Brissy 2 bid doesn't have a chance. I'M saying it does. Simple as that

 

[Perth Red]

lol what? I never said any such thing, stop making crap up.

YOU are the one saying the Brissy 2 bid doesn't have a chance. I'M saying it does. Simple as that

Typical Loudy BS, disagree with his opinion, expect made up accusations followed by various expletives and insults. This thread is about Brisbane2 aka Brisbane Bombers lol that he thinks the people contributing to it are not going to be interested in the potential of a second Brisbane team.

I believe the next expansion should be Perth and a second Brisbane team for all the reasons I've stated numerous times. If that is Bombers or SW Corridor I don't really care, whichever is the best bid should get the nod. At the moment looking at the two options I belive the Bombers is the better bid, the only box they are not ticking is community engagement, but neither are the SW corridor bid at the moment.

 

[Perth Red]

Oh and PR, you already falling on the Popeye defence? That is - when you have given your very best for 4 pages and end up looking like a complete spastic -claim you were fishing. :lol:

yeh your right I should take the Loudtart approach:

You are a fuc**** imbecile with dung for brains and no fuc**** clue about RL as you live in the middle of nowhere blah blah, personal insult, expletive , blah blah, you hate RL, blah blah, you hate NSW, blah blah, SuperLeague traitor, Blah blah

Yep the Loudy way and the Popeye way are so much better for adding value to the discussion!:roll:

 

[Spitty]

Yes there should be another team in Brisbane, the population is there and it's growing, the best stadium in the RL world is there, there's a large junior base there that has limited pathways to FG (unless you want to move interstate), corporate money is there and a whole state that wants to see more Qld teams on TV are there. But at this stage, neither of the 2 Brisbane bids deserve a shot.

On the surface Western Corridor appear to be a better location, but after months and months, they don't even have a frickin' website. All the other bids have names, colours, logo designs, sponsors and CC has thousands of members. Western Corridor are waaaayy behind the 8-ball. Too far I'd suggest.

Bombers are on the nose, massively. They're more organised than WC and have obvious advantages over CQ and PNG. But everything they do looks arrogant and conceited. They've shown no interest in community engagement or community relations and subsequently have no fans. They have people who'd like another team playing out of Suncorp, but no people who actually want the club. I've got no doubt they could run a club, but will they be able to attract fans? They're disliked now, can they turn that around?

This is the problem with expansion the way the NRL's doing it. Just allowing bids to form independent of any strategic direction, doesn't invite the best candidates and when you do get good candidates it's often not in an area which is strategically good for expansion.

CC are a good bid, a very good bid. But in my opinion expanding into CC is like treading water. It gives you another club which will be a good successful club, but doesn't push the league or the sport in any direction. (Sidenote: To all those CCBears fans I know your bid document says the CC will bring x amount to the league, but a bid document is effectively an attempt at selling the club. It's expected to over exaggerate the positives and under exaggerate the negatives. I respect your bid, this is just my opinion).

Whereas expansion into Brisbane is a much better strategic plan. But by allowing bids to form in the dark, we've ended up with 2 poor bids. If the league says they're gonna expand by 2 teams, one being Perth. Does the league give that 18th spot to CC despite it's drawbacks? Or do they give the spot to one of the poor Brisbane bids and hope they get better?

As usual we're seeing the NRL suffer due to a lack of a clear strategic direction.

 

[Beowulf]

Yes there should be another team in Brisbane, the population is there and it's growing, the best stadium in the RL world is there, there's a large junior base there that has limited pathways to FG (unless you want to move interstate), corporate money is there and a whole state that wants to see more Qld teams on TV are there. But at this stage, neither of the 2 Brisbane bids deserve a shot.

On the surface Western Corridor appear to be a better location, but after months and months, they don't even have a frickin' website. All the other bids have names, colours, logo designs, sponsors and CC has thousands of members. Western Corridor are waaaayy behind the 8-ball. Too far I'd suggest.

Bombers are on the nose, massively. They're more organised than WC and have obvious advantages over CQ and PNG. But everything they do looks arrogant and conceited. They've shown no interest in community engagement or community relations and subsequently have no fans. They have people who'd like another team playing out of Suncorp, but no people who actually want the club. I've got no doubt they could run a club, but will they be able to attract fans? They're disliked now, can they turn that around?

This is the problem with expansion the way the NRL's doing it. Just allowing bids to form independent of any strategic direction, doesn't invite the best candidates and when you do get good candidates it's often not in an area which is strategically good for expansion.

CC are a good bid, a very good bid. But in my opinion expanding into CC is like treading water. It gives you another club which will be a good successful club, but doesn't push the league or the sport in any direction. (Sidenote: To all those CCBears fans I know your bid document says the CC will bring x amount to the league, but a bid document is effectively an attempt at selling the club. It's expected to over exaggerate the positives and under exaggerate the negatives. I respect your bid, this is just my opinion).

Whereas expansion into Brisbane is a much better strategic plan. But by allowing bids to form in the dark, we've ended up with 2 poor bids. If the league says they're gonna expand by 2 teams, one being Perth. Does the league give that 18th spot to CC despite it's drawbacks? Or do they give the spot to one of the poor Brisbane bids and hope they get better?

As usual we're seeing the NRL suffer due to a lack of a clear strategic direction.

Pretty fair comments all round, though I will pick up on 1 point....the NRL have given the Bears strategic direction, told them exactly what they want to see - the Bears have overachieved on NRL criteria and sold memberships based on the attainment of that criteria, hence the Bears confidence in the goodwill of the NRL hierarchy. To deny them now would prevent any future CC team, as no CC bid could marshall the resources and reconnect with northern Sydney, which is a key component of the bid. The Bears will fold if this bid fails. No other area will be as adversely affected if they have to miss out for 1 expansion round like the Bears have already.....it tests to see if the area really wants a team. Note Wellington disappeared after failing to the Gold Coast.

The next is just my opinion of how it will play, no one elses. Cronulla will be given a huge carrot to relocate to Perth. The WARL have said they are open to relocation and this would give a WA team NRL management experience plus a base and supporters in NSW, things they don't get with the Reds. The Bears and a SEQ side will be the expansion outcomes. Personally I don't think SEQ deserve a slot based on the quality of their bids, but this is what I think will happen, not necessarily what my preference would be.You've highlighted the problems with the SEQ bids pretty well, but I think the NRL would prefer western corridor, all being equal, but they aren't ready and won't be for years.....