Signings for 2020 and future looking team

[Forbes Creek Dragons]

FCD, We need to "claim" JDB salary as of now for dispensation up to the outcome of the trial . At least we will get something . I would be guying hard for capewell as a kaufusi/ JDB replacement and Im sure we could afford him . If we are tight for the cap then Mary should be told we cant afford luke as we know mary will not take mcinness off for a spell ( plus we have lovadua that can play hooker ) And we need to buy a centre or 2 that can put pressure on our 2 current hopeless but never dropped centres.

Unfortunately contracts don’t work like that. Plus there isn’t a player on the market close to JDB. If we go in hard for Kurt and JDB is cleared, what do we do then? We can’t just say sorry Kurt we changed our mind. If he gets some violence charges but not the full charge they may be able to cancel his contract but that’s too late. Capewell won’t just wait around. It’s a very complicated situation and no club would envy us.

 

[Old Timer]

Unfortunately contracts don’t work like that. Plus there isn’t a player on the market close to JDB. If we go in hard for Kurt and JDB is cleared, what do we do then? We can’t just say sorry Kurt we changed our mind. If he gets some violence charges but not the full charge they may be able to cancel his contract but that’s too late. Capewell won’t just wait around. It’s a very complicated situation and no club would envy us.

Not too complicated IMO
One man and his stupidity has managed to get the entire club in a position of uncertainty for an entire season plus.
Jack here is your payout & don't forget to close the door behind you when you leave.

 

[Forbes Creek Dragons]

Not too complicated IMO
One man and his stupidity has managed to get the entire club in a position of uncertainty for an entire season plus.
Jack here is your payout & don't forget to close the door behind you when you leave.

We can give him a payout but it won’t be taken off the cap, you know that right?

 

[muzby]

Not too complicated IMO
One man and his stupidity has managed to get the entire club in a position of uncertainty for an entire season plus.
Jack here is your payout & don't forget to close the door behind you when you leave.

Hang on, weren’t you all about duty of care and rehabilitation?

Why the change?

 

[Old Timer]

We can give him a payout but it won’t be taken off the cap, you know that right?

If the issue is that players won't come here because JDB is in the squad then there is only 1 way to change that.

 

[Dragonslayer]

We can give him a payout but it won’t be taken off the cap, you know that right?

Correct, and its more interesting that I believe De Belin also takes most if not all, of our long term player allowance ($300k). If he is proven way or another could or will the "allowance" be used more effectively in say keeping Friz.

 

[Forbes Creek Dragons]

If the issue is that players won't come here because JDB is in the squad then there is only 1 way to change that.

Yeah wait one year and don’t re-sign him. Not going to sign anyone with his coin tied up in the cap.

 

[Old Timer]

Hang on, weren’t you all about duty of care and rehabilitation?

Why the change?

As I have said many times you have little or no comprehension of things whatsoever.
These are 2 very different sets of circumstances.
1 player admits fault and guilt and is therefore able to be rehabilitated.
1 player admits no fault or guilt and claims he is completely innocent so therefore there is no rehabilitation required but as he is unable to fulfil the requirements of his contract a commercial decision needs to be made for the benefit of the entire playing group.
In respect of duty of care at no stage have I said that the club should not ensure his mental wellbeing is catered for.

 

[Old Timer]

Yeah wait one year and don’t re-sign him. Not going to sign anyone with his coin tied up in the cap.

Our club should be engaging lawyers to fight the NRL as to the draconian way that the stand down policy is affecting the club, sponsors, fans etc.
We should have been allowed to terminate the contract and renew it if applicable after the trial and any subsequent appeals that may be sought.
We are running a commercial business and have been affected by being 1 short which places us at a distinct disadvantage.

 

[Dragsters]

DRAGONS

With Gareth Widdop out of the picture, the Dragons really need these two to fire.Source: Getty Images
Best 17

1 Matt Dufty

2 Jordan Pereira

3 Zac Lomax

4 Tim Lafai

5 Jason Saab

6 Corey Norman

7 Ben Hunt

8 Paul Vaughan

9 Cameron McInnes

10 James Graham

11 Tyson Frizell

12 Tariq Sims

13 Blake Lawrie

14 Luciano Leilua

15 Jackson Ford

16 Korbin Sims

17 Jacob Host

*Jack De Belin is currently suspended under the NRL’s no fault stand-down policy.

The rest: Euan Aitken, Eddie Blacker, Josh Kerr, Joe Lovodua, Jonus Pearson, Mikaele Ravalawa

2020 squad: Euan Aitken (2020), Eddie Blacker (2020), Jack de Belin (2020), Matt Dufty (2021), Jackson Ford (2020), Tyson Frizell (2020), James Graham (2020), Jacob Host (2020), Ben Hunt (2022/PO), Josh Kerr (2020), Tim Lafai (2020), Blake Lawrie (2022), Luciano Leilua (2020), Zac Lomax (2020), Joe Lovodua (2020) Cameron McInnes (2021), Corey Norman (2021), Jonus Pearson (2020), Jordan Pereira (2020), Mikaele Ravalawa (2020), Jason Saab (2022) Korbin Sims (2021), Tariq Sims (2022), Paul Vaughan (2021/PO)

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...e/news-story/5f836aeaa28d95ce42b0446d706f0e48

The future is round 1 2020 and as the roster stands, I agree with this lineup.

It is one I could support...

 

[muzby]

As I have said many times you have little or no comprehension of things whatsoever.
These are 2 very different sets of circumstances.
1 player admits fault and guilt and is therefore able to be rehabilitated.
1 player admits no fault or guilt and claims he is completely innocent so therefore there is no rehabilitation required but as he is unable to fulfil the requirements of his contract a commercial decision needs to be made for the benefit of the entire playing group.
In respect of duty of care at no stage have I said that the club should not ensure his mental wellbeing is catered for.

Lol.. I love how you can’t even have a discussion without trying to insult the other party..

The key fact of the matter is that there has been no charge proven.

At the moment Jack is considered innocent from a legal point of view.. His trial hasn’t even commenced and he has up to that point to admit guilt, if he is guilty..

Have you noticed that your stance to rehabilitate (AFB) vs not rehabilitate. (JDB) is directly correlated to the value that player can return to the club..?

 

[Old Timer]

Lol.. I love how you can’t even have a discussion without trying to insult the other party..

The key fact of the matter is that there has been no charge proven.

At the moment Jack is considered innocent from a legal point of view.. His trial hasn’t even commenced and he has up to that point to admit guilt, if he is guilty..

Have you noticed that your stance to rehabilitate (AFB) vs not rehabilitate. (JDB) is directly correlated to the value that player can return to the club..?

As usual the amateur psychologist tries to tell others what they think lol
You are saying I don’t want to rehabilitate JDB and then proceed to tell me how he is at this point innocent.
What is it that you would have me rehabilitate as I also acknowledge that for all intents and purposes at this time he is innocent.
Surely even you can understand that simple fundamental?
Your statement re my stance relating to players value is based on what evidence?
I am simply saying JDB is unable to fulfil the requirement of the job that he is employed to do so make a commercial decision.
Re my conversing with people without having a go at them is that a privilege only afforded to you and by the way a factual statement is not actually having a go at you.

 

[muzby]

As usual the amateur psychologist tries to tell others what they think lol
You are saying I don’t want to rehabilitate JDB and then proceed to tell me how he is at this point innocent.
What is it that you would have me rehabilitate as I also acknowledge that for all intents and purposes at this time he is innocent.
Surely even you can understand that simple fundamental?
Your statement re my stance relating to players value is based on what evidence?
I am simply saying JDB is unable to fulfil the requirement of the job that he is employed to do so make a commercial decision.
Re my conversing with people without having a go at them is that a privilege only afforded to you and by the way a factual statement is not actually having a go at you.

JDB is unable to play based on an NRL enforced rule, which has been upheld by the courts..

Good luck terminating him under “commercial” grounds as the club would be taken to the cleaners, leaving us in a far worse “commercial” state than we would otherwise be in.

With regards to your rehabilitation tantrum, you are on one hand suggesting to terminate someone before they have their day in court where guilt can be determined, yet previously have stated that people deserve rehabilitation.. Do you not recall the program you have claimed to be involved in, and how rewarding you said it was seeing people get their lives back on track?

 

[Old Timer]

JDB is unable to play based on an NRL enforced rule, which has been upheld by the courts..

Good luck terminating him under “commercial” grounds as the club would be taken to the cleaners, leaving us in a far worse “commercial” state than we would otherwise be in.

With regards to your rehabilitation tantrum, you are on one hand suggesting to terminate someone before they have their day in court where guilt can be determined, yet previously have stated that people deserve rehabilitation.. Do you not recall the program you have claimed to be involved in, and how rewarding you said it was seeing people get their lives back on track?

muzby method of debate 101

1. Question someone about their beliefs and whilst doing so tell them what they meant rather than accepting what they said
2. Have a dig at them and then get up them for a having a dig back
3. When asked a reasonable question by the OP avoid answering it on the grounds that the answer may incriminate muzby
4. Change tactics as many times as necessary and at no time concede a point

So when you get a chance please go back to the questions I asked of you, provide some answers and then we might be able to move on to the next part of topic.

 

[muzby]

muzby method of debate 101

1. Question someone about their beliefs and whilst doing so tell them what they meant rather than accepting what they said
2. Have a dig at them and then get up them for a having a dig back
3. When asked a reasonable question by the OP avoid answering it on the grounds that the answer may incriminate muzby
4. Change tactics as many times as necessary and at no time concede a point

So when you get a chance please go back to the questions I asked of you, provide some answers and then we might be able to move on to the next part of topic.

What questions do you not believe were answered?

Is this the point where I need to be like you and mention something about your comprehension skills?

And what tactics have been changed?

My point remains you have changed your position on whether to keep a player or punt them based on the value that said player can provide to the club, not based on any duty of care to rehabilitate or look after their welfare.

Again, I feel I need to parrot back to you your ramble about comprehension skills..

 

[Walpole]

The fact of the JDB saga is that we have to play with less of a salary cap than other clubs. While they can spend 9.6 million on players, we cannot. We only have 9 million to spend (taking out 600k or whatever DeBelin is on) which leaves us at a distinct disadvantage just on player strength alone. Add all our other issues (coach, board, CEO, mismanagement of juniors etc.) and we start to look like favourites for the spoon in 2020.

 

[muzby]

The fact of the JDB saga is that we have to play with less of a salary cap than other clubs. While they can spend 9.6 million on players, we cannot. We only have 9 million to spend (taking out 600k or whatever DeBelin is on) which leaves us at a distinct disadvantage just on player strength alone. Add all our other issues (coach, board, CEO, mismanagement of juniors etc.) and we start to look like favourites for the spoon in 2020.

And this is where I feel the NRL has failed...

Whilst I agree with their no-fault stand down policy, the player who is stood down should have their full salary excluded from the salary cap..

That being said, finding an extra $600k just lying around to pay another player is not that easy..

 

[Old Timer]

What questions do you not believe were answered?

Is this the point where I need to be like you and mention something about your comprehension skills?

And what tactics have been changed?

My point remains you have changed your position on whether to keep a player or punt them based on the value that said player can provide to the club, not based on any duty of care to rehabilitate or look after their welfare.

Again, I feel I need to parrot back to you your ramble about comprehension skills..

Ok we will try one more time
If I acknowledge at this point he is innocent what rehabilitation does he need that you say I am not willing to provide him?
After all that is the long bow you are trying to draw re my earlier stance on AFB.
I take it as a given you do understand the meaning of rehabilitation.

 

[Forbes Creek Dragons]

Our club should be engaging lawyers to fight the NRL as to the draconian way that the stand down policy is affecting the club, sponsors, fans etc.
We should have been allowed to terminate the contract and renew it if applicable after the trial and any subsequent appeals that may be sought.
We are running a commercial business and have been affected by being 1 short which places us at a distinct disadvantage.

I strongly agree.

 

[muzby]

Ok we will try one more time
If I acknowledge at this point he is innocent what rehabilitation does he need that you say I am not willing to provide him?
After all that is the long bow you are trying to draw re my earlier stance on AFB.
I take it as a given you do understand the meaning of rehabilitation.

I think you need to re-read your own posts.

You made that assumption about rehabilitating an innocent man, that has nothing to do with my positioning, which I put to you before you admitted innocence.

Keep up..