Southern Orcas (NZ2)

[Idris 84]

The League Club system is an anachronism, it really is. No other sport works on this model because it simply doesn’t work; particularly from a professional standpoint. Obviously it is fine for a local club in say Newcastle, Canberra or Western Sydney ( you need volunteers and a connection to the community etc) but once you are talking about pathways to the NRL, the clubs should have nothing to do with it.

If you want a system that works, it’s probably best to follow the AFL or some other sport, wherein the professional clubs are totally seperate to the production of players. The whole point of this way is to eliminate cost discrepancies - for example a better resourced club is putting money into junior development whereas another club who can’t afford it is not, which then affects development of professional players in what might be an important region; as well as improving overall development by producing a consistency around coaching and standards.

Take Penrith for example. Obviously their junior development is very good; however, what benefit does the game have by having this competitive dynamic, wherein the Penrith and surrounding areas have great systems in place, whilst other areas, including those in affiliated states don’t

Wouldn’t it be better to have the standards, practices and funding implemented across the country for the benefit of the root and branch of the game rather than for the benefit of just one club and one enclave of Western Sydney. If you have that across the country, then you might have more teams like Penrith, whilst boosting participation numbers across the board.

I agree with this but I don't think it will ever happen unfortunately.

 

[Perth Red]

I agree with this but I don't think it will ever happen unfortunately.

yep, too much self interst. I think the WA afl model would be the way to go if you were starting fresh. The pro club pays the state body an annual license fee for use of the pro license. This funding then funds the state body to ensure the grassroots is thriving. In WA the WAFC get around $5mill a year in license fees from the two afl clubs.
Since the WC Eagles we’re admitted in 1986 they have contributed over $150 million to grass roots footy in WA through this scheme!
Never happen in RL though, far too much selfishness and wanting to be king.

 

[Colk]

yep, too much self interst. I think the WA afl model would be the way to go if you were starting fresh. The pro club pays the state body an annual license fee for use of the pro license. This funding then funds the state body to ensure the grassroots is thriving. In WA the WAFC get around $5mill a year in license fees from the two afl clubs.
Since the WC Eagles we’re admitted in 1986 they have contributed over $150 million to grass roots footy in WA through this scheme!
Never happen in RL though, far too much selfishness and wanting to be king.

It’s interesting isn’t it. For many clubs it is obviously a burden and against their self-interest to do the donkey work. But anyway

 

[siv]

What we know is ut costs around $2 mil to run a junior development system properly which includs U19-U18 and U17-U16

Plus around a $1 mil to run a RG and U21 structure

The successful junior districts have a LC funding this as its a tax writeoff

The ones that dont have this have to rely on parents and sponsorship. Junior soccer falls into model as it uses a % of junior money to fund the Socceroos

You alsoing to find that almost all NSW Cup and Qld Cup operate in this model too. Other than Newtown it woukd be interesting to know which other clubs operate outside of a LC model

Be interested to know what the VRL and WARL grants are?

This is where the challenge for someone like NZ2 or WA will be

Newcastle, Auckkand and Gold Coast ran into this issue

Melbourne will run into it too once the $20 mil per year NRL grants finally end, though they are using VRL money as a extra grant

 

[Perth Red]

What we know is ut costs around $2 mil to run a junior development system properly which includs U19-U18 and U17-U16

Plus around a $1 mil to run a RG and U21 structure

The successful junior districts have a LC funding this as its a tax writeoff

The ones that dont have this have to rely on parents and sponsorship. Junior soccer falls into model as it uses a % of junior money to fund the Socceroos

You alsoing to find that almost all NSW Cup and Qld Cup operate in this model too. Other than Newtown it woukd be interesting to know which other clubs operate outside of a LC model

Be interested to know what the VRL and WARL grants are?

This is where the challenge for someone like NZ2 or WA will be

Newcastle, Auckkand and Gold Coast ran into this issue

Melbourne will run into it too once the $20 mil per year NRL grants finally end, though they are using VRL money as a extra grant

What $20million grant into melbourne?

NRLWA gets around $900k a year from the arlc.

 

[siv]

What $20million grant into melbourne?

When Melbourne were formed in 1997, News Ltd would take their 50% from game profits as a refund for the $350 mil SL war losses, then divert $20 mil every year to the Storm

In 2012 as part if the News Ltd withdrawal and the ARLC being setup. The ARLC needed for a period to still divert funds to the Storm

Be interesting to find out if this has ended 10 years on, ir when News Ltd sold iff the club as part if the arrangement

 

[Perth Red]

When Melbourne were formed in 1997, News Ltd would take their 50% from game profits as a refund for the $350 mil SL war losses, then divert $20 mil every year to the Storm

In 2012 as part if the News Ltd withdrawal and the ARLC being setup. The ARLC needed for a period to still divert funds to the Storm

Be interesting to find out if this has ended 10 years on, ir when News Ltd sold iff the club as part if the arrangement

Lol, just no.
as part of the SL peace deal news ltd got $8mill a year from the game, some of it went to the club they owned, just like other clubs have LC’s or Hollywood a listers putting their money in. No way it was $20mill when the salary cap was $6.5mil!

in 2012 as part of an agreement with nrl to sell the Storm nrl agreed to fund the Storm. $26.5mill over 6 years ($4.4mill a year) a year on top of the normal grant. That finished in 2018.
the new private owners now make a profit from the Storm.

 

[Dragonwest]

What we know is ut costs around $2 mil to run a junior development system properly which includs U19-U18 and U17-U16

Plus around a $1 mil to run a RG and U21 structure

The successful junior districts have a LC funding this as its a tax writeoff

The ones that dont have this have to rely on parents and sponsorship. Junior soccer falls into model as it uses a % of junior money to fund the Socceroos

You alsoing to find that almost all NSW Cup and Qld Cup operate in this model too. Other than Newtown it woukd be interesting to know which other clubs operate outside of a LC model

Be interested to know what the VRL and WARL grants are?

This is where the challenge for someone like NZ2 or WA will be

Newcastle, Auckkand and Gold Coast ran into this issue

Melbourne will run into it too once the $20 mil per year NRL grants finally end, though they are using VRL money as a extra grant

How many fulltime staff would that include running a junior development system?