Souths Duty of Care

[betcats]

Did the Roosters doctor personally review the patient and conduct the SCAT3 test, or did he watch a video? He should be ashamed of his comments.

No but he got to see the incident and the aftermath which is important hence the new replay booths on the sideline for the docs.

 

[muzby]

We have seen dozens of players go back on since the rule was introduced. And plenty on the following weekend that nobody has bothered concerning themselves about. It's only become an issue when Souths did it.

what f**king planet are you on?

there has been heaps of talk about it being a wide scourge..

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-...needed-in-concussion-management3a-nrl/6341692

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...confused-over-concussion-20150325-1m7j7v.html

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...to-get-free-interchanges-20150324-1m6r1n.html

http://www.nrl.com/nrl-warns-against-flouting-concussion-rules/tabid/10874/newsid/84776/default.aspx


in my opinion, souffs are copping the heat here for two reasons.. firstly, reynolds future health was put at risk over the result of one match..

and secondly, the flippant disregard that your mob seem to have regarding head injuries appears to go from coach all the way through to fans...

 

[Tommy Smith]

Apparently Reynolds suffered a concussion after last week's game? As i heard he was in minor doubt for this week's clash.

If so that's two concussions in a row which is very dangerous. But hey, "he's a tough bugger!"

Rugby League really is lightyears behind the modern scientific world. Compare our stance to the Pittsburgh Penguins with Sydney Crosby who was forced to sit out the entire second half of an NHL season after suffering a severe concussion. But in the NRL Peats is back on in a matter of minutes.

Crazy.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

Quoted, so Alien can so it.

Oh, I'm sure he did.

 

[yobbo84]

My last comment on this thread will be this.

If anyone thinks a medical doctor will risk the health of his/her patient by letting a football coach overrule their decision, they have rocks in their head.

If the doctor says they're OK to play, they're OK to play. If the doctor says they're not, they're not.

Trust the professionals, not the media.

 

[muzby]

SOUTHS hero Sam Burgess was so concussed during the NRL Grand Final he could not recall the barnstorming try of brother George until watching replays on television 24 hours later.

In an intriguing twist to his Clive Churchill heroics, Burgess on Tuesday revealed he had little memory of the effort that saw him play all 80 minutes of the decider against Canterbury with a busted cheekbone and eye socket.

Later in the interview, Burgess also revealed he “couldn’t remember everything” about his conversation with Hollywood owner Russell Crowe immediately after full-time.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...ry-until-replays/story-fni3gki8-1227083080110

of course, burgess isn't the first player to get a concussion in a grand final...

Conn got his revenge in last year's premiership decider when his conspicuous swinging arm left Weyman dazed and rattled.Suffering from a bout of concussion, Weyman's grand final dreams were brought to a premature end.

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/635537/michael-weyman-and-daniel-conn-to-clash-again/

 

[Tommy Smith]

My last comment on this thread will be this.

If anyone thinks a medical doctor will risk the health of his/her patient by letting a football coach overrule their decision, they have rocks in their head.

If the doctor says they're OK to play, they're OK to play. If the doctor says they're not, they're not.

Trust the professionals, not the media.

I trust my eyes.

And Reynolds and especially Peats were concussed.

 

[betcats]

My last comment on this thread will be this.

If anyone thinks a medical doctor will risk the health of his/her patient by letting a football coach overrule their decision, they have rocks in their head.

If the doctor says they're OK to play, they're OK to play. If the doctor says they're not, they're not.

Trust the professionals, not the media.

If you think every doctor has the same opinions on what is dangerous and what isnt you have rocks in their head. If you think every doctor is of unquestionable character and integrity you have rocks in your head.

 

[muzby]

My last comment on this thread will be this.

If anyone thinks a medical doctor will risk the health of his/her patient by letting a football coach overrule their decision, they have rocks in their head.

If the doctor says they're OK to play, they're OK to play. If the doctor says they're not, they're not.

Trust the professionals, not the media.

because the doctor doesn't have a vested interest at all, given they are being paid by the club as well...


just how when a lawyer says their client is innocent, we should believe them because they are the professional....

 

[Nice Beaver]

Are you a qualified medical practitioner experienced in diagnosing head injuries? How about completing SCAT3 tests? Didn't think so.

No I'm not dipshit.

However I have seen concussions before and I have seen people running on a field in a straight line to know when someone runs like Reynolds did, there is quite obviously a head knock issue.

It's called common sense you idiot.

Yo ucan hide behind your "Ewww ewww you aren't a doctor so what do you know" crap all you like. He was concussed. I don't need a PhD to know it.

If I see a bone popping out of someone's skin do I need a doctor to tell me its broken?

 

[muzby]

If I see a bone popping out of someone's skin do I need a doctor to tell me its broken?

well yes, could just be a severe dislocation, not a fracture?

 

[Nice Beaver]

We have seen dozens of players go back on since the rule was introduced. And plenty on the following weekend that nobody has bothered concerning themselves about. It's only become an issue when Souths did it. You think if it happened in Origin and Reynolds turned in a match winning performance after coming back on there would be weeks of whingeing and questioning the integrity of qualified medical practitioners? No

Feel free to actually read what I wrote any time you like.

I especially like the bit where I typed "and other clubs for that matter"

And do I think there would be uproar if it happened in Origin? Yes I do actually. Next question?

 

[Nice Beaver]

well yes, could just be a severe dislocation, not a fracture?

Whack a pretty little Souths themed band-aid on and get him back out there.

 

[SaraSassypants]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...ry-until-replays/story-fni3gki8-1227083080110

of course, burgess isn't the first player to get a concussion in a grand final...



http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/635537/michael-weyman-and-daniel-conn-to-clash-again/

The NRL is set to rule that Sam Burgess didn't sustain a concussion during his grand final heroics as the spotlight shifts towards South Sydney's handling of the head knock to younger brother George.

The NRL launched an investigation amid concerns Sam displayed concussive symptoms following the premiership victory over Canterbury.

NRL officials have been satisfied with Souths' response and believe the appropriate action was taken on the field.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...still-being-investigated-20141025-11brab.html

 

[SaraSassypants]

The Roosters doctor is a hypocrite.

"There's five criteria and he had the wobbly boot on so that was one of them. He was clear straight away in his discussion on the field but because he wobbled out of the tackle he was off straight away so that was good work from the trainer.

Nuuausala suffered a knock in the 28th minute shortly after taking the field when attempting to tackle Rabbitohs forward Luke Burgess. However he was back on the field before halftime without costing his side an interchange as the new concussion rules took effect.

http://www.roosters.com.au/news/2014/03/07/concussion_rule_is_working_robbo.html

 

[muzby]

how did they go with george's concussion, btw?

 

[insert.pause]

My last comment on this thread will be this.

If anyone thinks a medical doctor will risk the health of his/her patient by letting a football coach overrule their decision, they have rocks in their head.

If the doctor says they're OK to play, they're OK to play. If the doctor says they're not, they're not.

Trust the professionals, not the media.

it's not about whether or not hes deemed adequately conscious to return to the field, the NRL rules require that if a player has sustained a concussion of any degree he is NOT permitted to return to the field, there's no grey area, there was clear video evidence that indicated reynolds had been concussed, it wasn't subtle, the SCAT wasn't required.

 

[betcats]

Toovey last night when talking about independant doctors he said "and independant doctor will always err on the side of caution whereas a club doctor will weigh risk and reward".

If that their attitude then they dont get it at all.

 

[The Charlatan]

My last comment on this thread will be this.

If anyone thinks a medical doctor will risk the health of his/her patient by letting a football coach overrule their decision, they have rocks in their head.

If the doctor says they're OK to play, they're OK to play. If the doctor says they're not, they're not.

Trust the professionals, not the media.

because the doctor doesn't have a vested interest at all, given they are being paid by the club as well...


just how when a lawyer says their client is innocent, we should believe them because they are the professional....

Because the doctor won't be given instructions by the club to not rule it as a concussion unless it will adversely affect the teams chances of winning the match? Muz is right, in the big games especially, player welfare will always come second to the result.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

how did they go with george's concussion, btw?

I think satisfaction is in order.