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Old Time Tiger

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BrotherJim05 said:
LOL! Does he not realise he delivers probably the worse ROI of any player?
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BJ05, looking at the roster, he would be a close 2nd to McQueen IMO.

Others have been injured for longer periods such as Packer, Reynolds, Jennings & Musgrove.

Working backwards I'd rate them,
6. Musgrove has been out the longest so I would not include him in not delivering,
5. Reynolds, another one who was injured for a long time but this season was available but as far as ROI, well he wasn't on the selection committee was he?
4. Jennings, whilst being injured certainly would be right up there as far as ROI goes for the games he did play.
3. Packer, another one who was injured but has been very bad the past few weeks.
2. Mybe one or two minor niggles but has been picked when available and generally under performed.
1. McQueen based on experience a major disappointment, no pressure on the regular 1st graders, happy to be paid and no return on investment.
 
Tiger Ted

Tiger Ted

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Old Time Tiger said:
BJ05, looking at the roster, he would be a close 2nd to McQueen IMO.

Others have been injured for longer periods such as Packer, Reynolds, Jennings & Musgrove.

Working backwards I'd rate them,
6. Musgrove has been out the longest so I would not include him in not delivering,
5. Reynolds, another one who was injured for a long time but this season was available but as far as ROI, well he wasn't on the selection committee was he?
4. Jennings, whilst being injured certainly would be right up there as far as ROI goes for the games he did play.
3. Packer, another one who was injured but has been very bad the past few weeks.
2. Mybe one or two minor niggles but has been picked when available and generally under performed.
1. McQueen based on experience a major disappointment, no pressure on the regular 1st graders, happy to be paid and no return on investment.
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Based on quality of individual input//level of avg individual performance relative to annual salaries it’s Mbye & Packer 1 & 2 followed by daylight.I can’t help but reinforce the obvious but Cleary & Pascoe fkd us bigtime.How the hell the protected species Pascoe has escaped scrutiny beggars belief.How the fk Pascoe remains employed at concord demonstrates the club has no fkn idea what success entails.
 
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Tiger05

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Tiger Ted said:
Based on quality of individual input//level of avg individual performance relative to annual salaries it’s Mbye & Packer 1 & 2 followed by daylight.I can’t help but reinforce the obvious but Cleary & Pascoe fkd us bigtime.How the hell the protected species Pascoe has escaped scrutiny beggars belief.How the fk Pascoe remains employed at concord demonstrates the club has no fkn idea what success entails.
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This is crazy talk. Mbye and Packer have had some good games for us. Mbye has been on the park regularly. Reynolds has been awful with maybe 1 or 2 average performances.

You and me also have no idea what role Pascoe played in those signings. He is the CEO and not the coach or recruitment manager.

I reckon when we've had another shit house year people get way too emotional and don't look at the facts.
 
Tigerm

Tigerm

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I think its a bit unfair on Packer, he hasn't played to many games due to injury.

On the Pascoe thing, I am not sure how it works, but he employs a bloke to get the team up to a standard, I wouldn't have thought he would then turn around and tell him he cant sign X player, if he fits into the budget & the salary cap.
I always thought that the head coach has sole discretion for those decisions.
Agree, we have made some bad ones, but I am sure every club has.
 
Tiger Ted

Tiger Ted

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Tiger05 said:
This is crazy talk. Mbye and Packer have had some good games for us. Mbye has been on the park regularly. Reynolds has been awful with maybe 1 or 2 average performances.

You and me also have no idea what role Pascoe played in those signings. He is the CEO and not the coach or recruitment manager.

I reckon when we've had another shit house year people get way too emotional and don't look at the facts.
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My view is based on the extent their contribution to the team has been commensurate with their salaries of 815k & 750k.Both have been appalling.Mbye is sluggish & timid & offers zero strike in any position he plays in whereas Packers efforts r on par with the other oxygen thief from NZ who played us of a break the grub Blair.

The only reason Mbye is on the park regularly is when u have a bum on massive overs ur chances of moving him on r buckleys if he gets dropped.Whilever he is in starting side we have a faint hope that another club might make the monumental blunder of making approaches to his brilliant manager.

Pascoe presided over the numerous toxic contracts.Unforgiveably he rubber-stamped the ridiculous contracts that have contributed enormously to the horrendous predicament we r in.He also made that glaring oversight re RF’s Post career ambassadorial role which attracted salary cap fines which have disadvantaged us.Seriously how has the dunce gotten off scot free & escaped interrogation re his screw ups.

One other thing re Pascoe he would have had enormous influence re the clubs decision to appoint his old penrith mate the unscrupulous swindler Cleary.
 
Tiger05

Tiger05

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Tiger Ted said:
My view is based on the extent their contribution to the team has been commensurate with their salaries of 815k & 750k.
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This is a case of cognitive dissonance. You need to be rational. You have an irrational hatred of Moses for some reason. You have no idea what Pascoe did in relation to those contracts.

You also don't know the exact details of their salaries but we know that Mbye, Reynolds, Packer and McQueen are all on good salaries. We also know that of those Mbye has provided the most value to the team based on on-field performances. He has been on the park and he has had some good games. Reynolds hasn't done that once. Packer has had some value as well. I think Packer is a bit hard done by.

None of this means we should retain Mbye or that we've gotten good value out of him.
 
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Tiger05 said:
This is a case of cognitive dissonance. You need to be rational. You have an irrational hatred of Moses for some reason. You have no idea what Pascoe did in relation to those contracts.

You also don't know the exact details of their salaries but we know that Mbye, Reynolds, Packer and McQueen are all on good salaries. We also know that of those Mbye has provided the most value to the team based on on-field performances. He has been on the park and he has had some good games. Reynolds hasn't done that once. Packer has had some value as well. I think Packer is a bit hard done by.

None of this means we should retain Mbye or that we've gotten good value out of him.
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Cognitive dissonance coming from you that’s a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Mbye Packer & Reynolds’s salaries are not merely good they r great.You say Mbye has provided the most value yet it doesn t mean we’ve gotten good value out of him or that we should retain him.This sort of reconciles with my point that relative to what he earns he has massively under performed & we must find a way to move him on.

Btw when I referred to Mbye’s manager as been brilliant I certainly wasn’t referring to moses coz he isn’t mbyes manager so to assume I have an irrational hatred for moses based on what I said in recent posts is incongruent.
 
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05 u were obviously referring to my hatred of moses the player as opposed to the dickhead manager.I obviously don’t rate him as a player & am more pissed off with the idiots who signed him on the outrageous contract.If I’ve come across as showing a massive hatred for the Mbye the person it’s not what I actually mean coz he didn’t force us to sign him on elite money.Good luck to anyone who can legally extract more money than they r worth.Its so bloody irritating that we have a surplus of overpaid & under-delivering impostors on our books.
 
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Tiger Ted said:
Cognitive dissonance coming from you that’s a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.
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Show me cognitive dissonance once in my comments when I do it. You also just changed your tune. We are on the same page. It's just that you were talking about problems within our salary cap and completely missing the worst offenders in our squad at this point.
 
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Tiger05 said:
Show me cognitive dissonance once in my comments when I do it. You also just changed your tune. We are on the same page. It's just that you were talking about problems within our salary cap and completely missing the worst offenders in our squad at this point.
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I was commenting on the theme of worst ROI of players in our squad & my personal opinion is that Mbye & Packer are the 2 worst.If they were public companies & u invested 815k & 750k per annum respectively over 4-5 yrs on the 2 of them based on their negligible performances ud b insolvent.U obviously disagree & that’s fine but u r totally misconstruing the point I’m making which is re ROI whereas u r implying that I’m missing the worst offenders in our squad just coz we have a difference in opinion.
 
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Tiger Ted said:
I was commenting on the theme of worst ROI of players in our squad & my personal opinion is that Mbye & Packer are the 2 worst.If they were public companies & u invested 815k & 750k per annum respectively over 4-5 yrs on the 2 of them based on their negligible performances ud b insolvent.U obviously disagree & that’s fine but u r totally misconstruing the point I’m making which is re ROI whereas u r implying that I’m missing the worst offenders in our squad just coz we have a difference in opinion.
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If you think that it's cool. I don't understand how Reynolds isn't on the top of that list. It makes no logical sense to me.
 
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Tiger05 said:
If you think that it's cool. I don't understand how Reynolds isn't on the top of that list. It makes no logical sense to me.
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My personal view as to y I have Mbye & Packer ahead of grub is 1stly I’ve cut him some slack coz of his prolonged injuries & 2ndly he plays with an intensity that the other 2 don’t.At the top of his game which has long passed he was a better player than the other 2.In saying that I so wish we could miraculously discard the 3 of them b4 start of ‘21.Hopefully the strong mail is precise that grub is going to super league.
 
Fordy20

Fordy20

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Tiger Ted said:
My personal view as to y I have Mbye & Packer ahead of grub is 1stly I’ve cut him some slack coz of his prolonged injuries & 2ndly he plays with an intensity that the other 2 don’t.At the top of his game which has long passed he was a better player than the other 2.In saying that I so wish we could miraculously discard the 3 of them b4 start of ‘21.Hopefully the strong mail is precise that grub is going to super league.
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I agree. When Reynolds started in the halves, our defence has been better. Our linespeed increases, due to his kick chase pressure and he also straightens our attack by playing direct. He might not create the opportunities Marshall does, but certainly lifts our team and makes us play better. A big difference between Reynolds compared to Packer is you can never accuse him of not putting in effort. There are a few games where Packer has stood up and dominated, but they have been heavily outweighed by the performances where he's been poor. Mbye is different again, in that he just doesn't add anything. He's a serviceable enough player, but for the coin he is on, he should be a game breaker, but there hasn't been a single match where I could point to him and say, we won because of his efforts.

I reckon Grub going to ESL is wishful thinking though. We'll be paying full freight for all of these contracts, just as we will be for Brooks and Doueihi.
 
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