Squad for 2021

[BrotherJim05]

The only way the club can demonstrate it's support of the coach would be to extend his contract.

Agree. The only way this is going to work is if we throw all our eggs into the Madge basket and give him the time to build his roster and make a push for finals. I'd be surprised if it takes any less than end of 2021 to clear out dead wood, then at least another year or two to build a roster, then another year or two to get them playing together consistently. I believe Madge is contracted until the end of 2022? I'd offer a three year extention now, and just tell him he can do whatever the f**k he wants for this time. Sign whoever he wants, fire whoever he wants. I know it sounds dicey putting blind faith in someone for 5 years, but that is how long it will take. Cleary tried to take short cuts and look what happened.

 

[Old Time Tiger]

Tigers to shuffle Benji out door despite his desire for extra year

Benji Marshall's time at the Wests Tigers is coming to an end. In the coming days, Tigers officials will sit down with the club legend to lay out their vision for the future. Unfortunately for Marshall, who believes he has one more year to offer, he isn’t part of it.

It’s not that Marshall is over the hill. He has shown in 2020 he still has plenty to offer. But the Tigers have $1 million to spend on five roster spots for next season and too much money tied up in their halves to justify spending $300,000 on another playmaker.

It’s about salary-cap management. Josh Reynolds isn’t going anywhere, despite the club’s best endeavours, and neither is Luke Brooks. Between them they take up $1.6m in the salary cap and it is on coach Michael Maguire to make that work.

There’s also junior star Jock Madden, who has been likened to a young Luke Keary. Madden will make his NRL debut as early as this week as the coach looks to blood some youth in the final month of the season.

There’s also a case that Adam Doueihi’s best position is five-eighth, while the club also has Billy Walters on contract for next year. Co-captain Moses Mbye has played plenty of five-eighth as well, leaving the club with no shortage of options next year. Adding Marshall to that list makes little sense, especially when they are in dire need of leadership in the forwards and strike in the outside backs.

The club has been walking on eggshells for weeks for fear of disrespecting the club’s greatest player. It’s why, even with their finals hopes dead following Saturday night’s loss to the Panthers, Marshall will still feature in the final month of the season despite the club preparing to inform the veteran they are heading in a different direction.

Marshall may not be happy, but the Tigers know they can’t afford to allow emotion to dictate their next move. The Tigers indicated earlier in the year that there would be a spot for him at the club in 2021 if he wanted to play on. A lot has changed since then.

The club isn’t convinced Reynolds, who has one more season on his deal worth $800,000, is the answer next year. Playing him over the last month may finally answer that question, or at the very least allow him to show he still has something to offer a rival club willing to pay part of his salary next year.


You would expect Marshall to walk into a media job, like Cooper Cronk, at Fox Sports. However, at this point, he isn’t ready to hang up the boots. A club such as Newcastle or Manly, both on the lookout for a five-eighth, could benefit from his services. Marshall may provide the experience to help those respective clubs emerge as genuine title contenders next year.

The Tigers will begin planning for 2021 from this week. Hooker Harry Grant may not see a lot of football in the last month. With Grant expected to head back to Melbourne next year, the club will look to give 18-year-old Jake Simpkin a crack alongside Jacob Liddle.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/ti...is-desire-for-extra-year-20200830-p55qn1.html

 

[Tigerm]

Tigers to shuffle Benji out door despite his desire for extra year

Benji Marshall's time at the Wests Tigers is coming to an end. In the coming days, Tigers officials will sit down with the club legend to lay out their vision for the future. Unfortunately for Marshall, who believes he has one more year to offer, he isn’t part of it.

It’s not that Marshall is over the hill. He has shown in 2020 he still has plenty to offer. But the Tigers have $1 million to spend on five roster spots for next season and too much money tied up in their halves to justify spending $300,000 on another playmaker.

It’s about salary-cap management. Josh Reynolds isn’t going anywhere, despite the club’s best endeavours, and neither is Luke Brooks. Between them they take up $1.6m in the salary cap and it is on coach Michael Maguire to make that work.

There’s also junior star Jock Madden, who has been likened to a young Luke Keary. Madden will make his NRL debut as early as this week as the coach looks to blood some youth in the final month of the season.

There’s also a case that Adam Doueihi’s best position is five-eighth, while the club also has Billy Walters on contract for next year. Co-captain Moses Mbye has played plenty of five-eighth as well, leaving the club with no shortage of options next year. Adding Marshall to that list makes little sense, especially when they are in dire need of leadership in the forwards and strike in the outside backs.

The club has been walking on eggshells for weeks for fear of disrespecting the club’s greatest player. It’s why, even with their finals hopes dead following Saturday night’s loss to the Panthers, Marshall will still feature in the final month of the season despite the club preparing to inform the veteran they are heading in a different direction.

Marshall may not be happy, but the Tigers know they can’t afford to allow emotion to dictate their next move. The Tigers indicated earlier in the year that there would be a spot for him at the club in 2021 if he wanted to play on. A lot has changed since then.

The club isn’t convinced Reynolds, who has one more season on his deal worth $800,000, is the answer next year. Playing him over the last month may finally answer that question, or at the very least allow him to show he still has something to offer a rival club willing to pay part of his salary next year.


You would expect Marshall to walk into a media job, like Cooper Cronk, at Fox Sports. However, at this point, he isn’t ready to hang up the boots. A club such as Newcastle or Manly, both on the lookout for a five-eighth, could benefit from his services. Marshall may provide the experience to help those respective clubs emerge as genuine title contenders next year.

The Tigers will begin planning for 2021 from this week. Hooker Harry Grant may not see a lot of football in the last month. With Grant expected to head back to Melbourne next year, the club will look to give 18-year-old Jake Simpkin a crack alongside Jacob Liddle.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/ti...is-desire-for-extra-year-20200830-p55qn1.html

Seems a reasonable view of things if true.

 

[Fordy20]

So Madden plays this weekend with Benji before bringing in Reynolds for the rest of the season?

Makes sense. There's a case for re-signing Marshall for another year to play in the halves with Reynolds in the top grade to give Madden and Brooks a year together in NSW Cup out of the lime light. Brooks is on contract for a longer than any other spine player besides Doueihi and if we've learned anything, it's hard to shift players on big contracts when nobody wants them. Injuries to Marshall or Reynolds next year could be handled by shifting Mbye or Doueihi into the halves.

 

[WA Tiger]

05 u were obviously referring to my hatred of moses the player as opposed to the dickhead manager.I obviously don’t rate him as a player & am more pissed off with the idiots who signed him on the outrageous contract.If I’ve come across as showing a massive hatred for the Mbye the person it’s not what I actually mean coz he didn’t force us to sign him on elite money.Good luck to anyone who can legally extract more money than they r worth.Its so bloody irritating that we have a surplus of overpaid & under-delivering impostors on our books.

No 05 just uses the “u must hate the player” just to start an argument....05 y can’t you just let people have their say without having to get into a fight to the death argument every time with u stating the same old argument about Mbye being better than Reynolds who Ted didn’t even mention btw but it’s just part of your stock standard and then you finish with “I’m not saying Mbye should be retained tho”...over and over and over and over..we get it now let someone else have their say in relative peace...Theres always going to be a group of posters that disagrees with whatever whoever posts and everyone has players they like that others rubbish. . ... if they reacted like you all the time this forum would be a constant shit fight (at least the shit fights I read are original) .he’s not attacking your family or Darren Lockyer it’s just Mbye..practice restraint

 

[WA Tiger]

No 05 just uses the “u must hate the player” just to start an argument....05 y can’t you just let people have their say without having to get into a fight to the death argument every time with u stating the same old argument about Mbye being better than Reynolds who Ted didn’t even mention btw but it’s just part of your stock standard and then you finish with “I’m not saying Mbye should be retained tho”...over and over and over and over..we get it now let someone else have their say in relative peace...Theres always going to be a group of posters that disagrees with whatever whoever posts and everyone has players they like that others rubbish. . ... if they reacted like you all the time this forum would be a constant shit fight (at least the shit fights I read are original) .he’s not attacking your family or Darren Lockyer it’s just Mbye..practice restraint

And who defends Pascoe?

 

[Tiger05]

No 05 just uses the “u must hate the player” just to start an argument....05 y can’t you just let people have their say without having to get into a fight to the death argument every time with u stating the same old argument about Mbye being better than Reynolds who Ted didn’t even mention btw but it’s just part of your stock standard and then you finish with “I’m not saying Mbye should be retained tho”...over and over and over and over..we get it now let someone else have their say in relative peace...Theres always going to be a group of posters that disagrees with whatever whoever posts and everyone has players they like that others rubbish. . ... if they reacted like you all the time this forum would be a constant shit fight (at least the shit fights I read are original) .he’s not attacking your family or Darren Lockyer it’s just Mbye..practice restraint

It's just my opinion. No need to get so worked up. I think it's true though. Some people just hate or like certain players and don't look at their actual performances.

I mean Mbye copping it but Reynolds not being mentioned is bonkers. He was talking about players who have screwed our cap. Mbye has screwed the cap but Reynolds is 100 times worse. The excuse is injury but injury to me isn't an excuse. It's just another reason why we haven't gotten value for money.

A good trick when you are trying to discuss something is to try and not use ad-hominen arguments - i.e. attack the argument not the person. You've just used an ad-hominen argument rather than discuss the topic.

 

[Tiger05]

And who defends Pascoe?

I do. I reckon Pascoe isn't the problem. I don't see any massive problem other than our salary cap which is screwed because we've paid a couple of players overs that we shouldn't have paid that money too.

I don't blame Pascoe though. Sure he played a part and everything is his fault. It's just not all his fault. Cleary was a dud signing with hindsight and his manager representing I think Reynolds and Mbye (and possibly Packer) is a clear conflict of interest.

 

[WA Tiger]

It's just my opinion. No need to get so worked up. I think it's true though. Some people just hate or like certain players and don't look at their actual performances.

I mean Mbye copping it but Reynolds not being mentioned is bonkers. He was talking about players who have screwed our cap. Mbye has screwed the cap but Reynolds is 100 times worse. The excuse is injury but injury to me isn't an excuse. It's just another reason why we haven't gotten value for money.

A good trick when you are trying to discuss something is to try and not use ad-hominen arguments - i.e. attack the argument not the person. You've just used an ad-hominen argument rather than discuss the topic.

Im the intermediary and it pains me seeing a not naturally combative poster put through your pistols at 10 paces routine. It’s so unnecessary, predictable and going nowhere high drama for everyone that reads it ....Go and lay that on Pezz or someone ..they’d love it

100 times? come on..Mbye and Reynolds are about the same.They are both doing a job for us now, until we can find better..but Mbyes the captain so he’s harder to stomach.esp with not giving the ref hell with these decisions going against us..

 

[Tiger05]

Im the intermediary and it pains me seeing a not naturally combative poster put through your pistols at 10 paces routine unnecessarily....Go and lay that on Pezz or someone ..they’d love it

Honestly this makes no sense to me. I mean was that really combative. I think you are being combative. Happy to discuss but you were the one with the ad-hominen attack and not me. I didn't start telling anyone what they were etc.

Just maybe you should have a little look at yourself.

100 times ? come on..Mbye and Reynolds are about the same.They are both doing a job for us now, until we can find better..

It's not even close. There has to be some other criteria than on the job performance to state that there is not a significant difference between Mbye's performances and Reynolds. I'm only being logical here.

If you have a rational explanation that holds water I'm happy to hear it but I don't think you do. Mbye has played double the games that Josh has played plus he has been I think considerably better. If you have watched the last couple of games you would see Mbye performing in an average way at fullback, centre and hooker. Josh has played a couple of decent games this year which I was pleased with but overall he has been really poor.

 

[WA Tiger]

Honestly this makes no sense to me. I mean was that really combative. I think you are being combative. Happy to discuss but you were the one with the ad-hominen attack and not me. I didn't start telling anyone what they were etc.

Just maybe you should have a little look at yourself.



It's not even close. There has to be some other criteria than on the job performance to state that there is not a significant difference between Mbye's performances and Reynolds. I'm only being logical here.

If you have a rational explanation that holds water I'm happy to hear it but I don't think you do. Mbye has played double the games that Josh has played plus he has been I think considerably better. If you have watched the last couple of games you would see Mbye performing in an average way at fullback, centre and hooker. Josh has played a couple of decent games this year which I was pleased with but overall he has been really poor.

Watch me leave it here ...You've said yours, I’ve said mine. It’s that easy. Noones going to admit defeat with this discussion..now you try it

 

[Tigerm]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...e/news-story/489131fe7068bf444e096e3b3be2d1d3

Hooper: 7 million reasons why the Tigers need to offload Brooks… now

 

[Perth Tiger]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...e/news-story/489131fe7068bf444e096e3b3be2d1d3

Hooper: 7 million reasons why the Tigers need to offload Brooks… now

I wouldn't trust Hoopers figures at all, sounds like bullshit to me. I recall him signing for more like 2.5 over 4 years.

Also if Hooper is right on this then that top 50 paid players article from earlier int he year is bullshit as well since he was way down the list on that.

but still, seems pointless to get rid of him if we have to pay him anyway and we aren't getting a better replacement.

 

[WA Tiger]

I wouldn't trust Hoopers figures at all, sounds like bullshit to me. I recall him signing for more like 2.5 over 4 years.

Also if Hooper is right on this then that top 50 paid players article from earlier int he year is bullshit as well since he was way down the list on that.

but still, seems pointless to get rid of him if we have to pay him anyway and we aren't getting a better replacement.

At least he said it..All the other media guys skirt around the Brooks issue

 

[Tiger05]

We know when players are overpaid but the so called journalists just make numbers up. My working assumption based on Brooks re-signing not that long ago is that Brooks is not paid as a premier half which he isn't.

We all know we have to develop/build/whatever a better roster but you have to do that calmly and constructively. You can't just get rid of under performing players on good contracts for them because the players won't go as no other club will take them.

Where do we start ? We were smashed all over the park against Penrith and our halves kicking game kept us in the game for a bit. Our halves have been terrible this year.

 

[Tigerm]

I wouldn't trust Hoopers figures at all, sounds like bullshit to me. I recall him signing for more like 2.5 over 4 years.

Also if Hooper is right on this then that top 50 paid players article from earlier int he year is bullshit as well since he was way down the list on that.

but still, seems pointless to get rid of him if we have to pay him anyway and we aren't getting a better replacement.

Yeah, I dont know the figure either, but this is his seventh year (with 3 to go), so he wouldn't be far away.
Something has to change, or we continue to stay a bottom feeder club, besides, who was to say we wouldn't get a better player?

 

[Vic Mackey]

It was very widely reported at the time Brooks resigned in about $600-$650k

Earlier in the year Rothfield wrote another article saying this again

Now he’s gone to shit and all of a sudden it was actually $850k, gotta love News Ltd

 

[Fordy20]

It's pretty funny isn't it? Brooks hasn't had a great season, but last year he was top of the competition for line engagements and was in the top 10 for try assists. The year before that, he won Dally M halfback of the year. Now the media are up in arms calling for his head. I'd prefer it if they went back to shitting all over the Broncos and Seibold and leaving us the hell out of it all.

 

[WA Tiger]

It's pretty funny isn't it? Brooks hasn't had a great season, but last year he was top of the competition for line engagements and was in the top 10 for try assists. The year before that, he won Dally M halfback of the year. Now the media are up in arms calling for his head. I'd prefer it if they went back to shitting all over the Broncos and Seibold and leaving us the hell out of it all.

Ok so that talk is why Brooks is still in the team and why his contract was extended....Surely we should celebrate the media finally calling Brooks out..And if you ask yes but who instead.I say anyone

 

[WA Tiger]

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