Stalled and stagnant Sydney clubs

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

So first the bears get kicked out

then manly

heck why not Newcastle too then we can have no nrl club from north of the harbour bridge all the way up to the Gold Coast

they have a billionaire owner, new ground getting done and a rich history. They ain’t going anywhere. No Sydney club will be relocated

the only thing that will happen is dragons move most of their games to the gong and tigers to Campbelltown

Why does there need to be a team north of the harbour?

There's no AwFuL team from north of the harbour to Queensland. It hasn't stopped the Swans from being bigger than all nine Sydney NRL clubs, with people on here claiming most of their support is from north of the harbour.

Manly doesn't represent North Shore and Central Coast. They don't even represent all of the Northern Beaches.

There's no team based on the south side of Brisbane, which is a larger and more parochial rugby league market than the North Shore and Northern Beaches.

 

[Pippen94]

Mate, you're making no sense. You keep bringing up aggregate crowds for no other reason than there were more matches played in Sydney 1994 than today due to it having more clubs back then, hence the larger number. The cumulative attendance for 1994 and 2019 don't give us a clue how many unique people attended an NRL game. That's the point I've been trying to get through to you. Average attendances are meaningful because they allow us to see how much demand there is for NRL games.

There were a few Sydney clubs averaging about 5k per season back in the mid 90s. We no longer have Sydney teams averaging 5k per year. They now range from 12k to about 15k, which is respectable. You can spin this however you like, but it proves the teams are more stable these days than they were 25 to 30 years ago.

Balmain, Wests, Norths and St George weren't drawing big crowds on a regular basis. Souths were as low as 5k at one point. I've provided you with a link to RL Attendances. Use it. See for yourself.

A-League crowds have been down around NSL levels this year and it's not all due to COVID-19 restrictions. TV ratings have also been putrid. People just aren't interested any more. If a club is getting 3k a game at a stadium that can fit 20k this year then it's not because only 3k were allowed into the ground. It's because people aren't turning up.

A league was stuck at the same 10 teams for a decade so was beyond boring. Then ignored metrics & expanded to two locations with little interest.

 

[Pippen94]

Why does there need to be a team north of the harbour?

There's no AwFuL team from north of the harbour to Queensland. It hasn't stopped the Swans from being bigger than all nine Sydney NRL clubs, with people on here claiming most of their support is from north of the harbour.

Manly doesn't represent North Shore and Central Coast. They don't even represent all of the Northern Beaches.

There's no team based on the south side of Brisbane, which is a larger and more parochial rugby league market than the North Shore and Northern Beaches.

It's a lucrative market NRL's missing out on

 

[t-ba]

Mate, you're making no sense. You keep bringing up aggregate crowds for no other reason than there were more matches played in Sydney 1994 than today due to it having more clubs back then, hence the larger number. The cumulative attendance for 1994 and 2019 don't give us a clue how many unique people attended an NRL game. That's the point I've been trying to get through to you. Average attendances are meaningful because they allow us to see how much demand there is for NRL games.

Manly's average as a home team at Stadium Australia 104,000. It's biggest average regular season attendance average at any venue lol.

That's an indication of how pointless averages are in isolation. They need to be considered in context.

Without being aware of how many unique people are in attendance in a year being exposed to live league it's not that easy to just discard the Aggregate. We've got no idea how many different people are going to live league mate, so you can't just declare a ten percent increase on averages as a positive outcome dude lol.

There were a few Sydney clubs averaging about 5k per season back in the mid 90s. We no longer have Sydney teams averaging 5k per year. They now range from 12k to about 15k, which is respectable. You can spin this however you like, but it proves the teams are more stable these days than they were 25 to 30 years ago.

During the Super League War lol.

For a guy willing to roll out excuses for stuff like Titans crowds in 2019 your ignoring of that is patent bullshit. It's impressive how you'll roll out excuses for clubs out of Sydney but ignore anything else lol.

Balmain, Wests, Norths and St George weren't drawing big crowds on a regular basis. Souths were as low as 5k at one point. I've provided you with a link to RL Attendances. Use it. See for yourself.

Hey mate, you wanna which Sydney club had the lowest season average in the 1990s?

The Roosters in 1990!

You wanna know which Sydney club had the lowest season average in the 1990s?

Souths in 1997!

I guess since they were the worst attended clubs in Sydney they should get the boot!

Trust me mate I'm all over the figures. Norths had the highest Average attendance of any side in 1991 for instance lol.

A-League crowds have been down around NSL levels this year and it's not all due to COVID-19 restrictions. TV ratings have also been putrid. People just aren't interested any more. If a club is getting 3k a game at a stadium that can fit 20k this year then it's not because only 3k were allowed into the ground. It's because people aren't turning up.

I mean, seeing as there's a drop in attendance across all codes in Oz, it probably does have something to do with it? I think it's Bigfooty boffin @The_Wookie who runs it, but this twitter account is very good for in depth stuff on this across Australian sports.

https://twitter.com/footyindustryAU?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Man I want you to think about your argument by the way. Are you here blaming expansion of the A-League to the collapse in A-league crowds in Sydney?

Because that is a uhhh...claim!

 

[siv]

Teams that represent large growing areas like Panthers & Tigers should never be in conversation for relocation. Afl only moved inner city clubs representing tiny built areas like Fitzroy & South Melbourne.

Like Easts

 

[t-ba]

It's a lucrative market NRL's missing out on

Exactly.

It's a wealthy end of town, which is where the historical concentration of Union in the area, being a an upper-middle class sport and all. Kind of the market we want for the dollars. Like how a loser club like Tottenham can be so financial. It's fans tend wealthy.

 

[reanimate]

Why does there need to be a team north of the harbour?

There's no AwFuL team from north of the harbour to Queensland. It hasn't stopped the Swans from being bigger than all nine Sydney NRL clubs, with people on here claiming most of their support is from north of the harbour.

Manly doesn't represent North Shore and Central Coast. They don't even represent all of the Northern Beaches.

There's no team based on the south side of Brisbane, which is a larger and more parochial rugby league market than the North Shore and Northern Beaches.

It’s a big, lucrative market that needs to be done right. There’s already a team there, it’s not like we’re talking about adding a team to reach that market, the infrastructure in the region needs improvements and how the game is governed there needs to be completely overhauled.

 

[Wb1234]

Why does there need to be a team north of the harbour?

There's no AwFuL team from north of the harbour to Queensland. It hasn't stopped the Swans from being bigger than all nine Sydney NRL clubs, with people on here claiming most of their support is from north of the harbour.

Manly doesn't represent North Shore and Central Coast. They don't even represent all of the Northern Beaches.

There's no team based on the south side of Brisbane, which is a larger and more parochial rugby league market than the North Shore and Northern Beaches.

Look if it makes you happy wishing for less Sydney nrl teams and posting about this on here satisfies those urges then you go for it

the problem is that it has zero chance of actually happening. It’s about as likely as an nrl side in Singapore

 

[Perth Red]

From these northern suburbs manly is 10km away, roosters is 10km away and parra is 20kms away. Are you serious that these 3 can’t cover the area and somehow not having a team there is the problem? The real problem is none of them 3, with the support of the nrl and nswrl has taken over the area as their own.

 

[Wb1234]

From these northern suburbs manly is 10km away, roosters is 10km away and parra is 20kms away. Are you serious that these 3 can’t cover the area and somehow not having a team there is the problem? The real problem is none of them 3, with the support of the nrl and nswrl has taken over the area as their own.

You think parra can cover the north shore of Sydney ?

Lmaooooooo.

 

[reanimate]

From these northern suburbs manly is 10km away, roosters is 10km away and parra is 20kms away. Are you serious that these 3 can’t cover the area and somehow not having a team there is the problem? The real problem is none of them 3, with the support of the nrl and nswrl has taken over the area as their own.

No one can officially take it over until the North Sydney NSWRL district is abolished or merged into another. There’s multiple ways to do it; give it all to Manly, give the lower half to the Roosters and the upper half to Manly, give it all to the Roosters etc.

Anything would be better for the game than the status quo.

 

[SouthsCountry]

This thread is pure comedy

 

[siv]

You think parra can cover the north shore of Sydney ?

Lmaooooooo.

He doesnt realise Parra juniors went bust a few years ago when Parra LC or FC didnt bail them out

And since then other clubs like Manly and Canterbury moved in to align their junior clubs

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

There are plenty of viable solutions to this alleged over abundance of Sydney clubs. And they don’t require relocation interstate.

that’s the point. There is no agenda and no momentum to move clubs so the discussion is pointless. For those who don’t know Cronulla have virtually taken over the st George junior comp. Only about 50 teams under 12 still play in the st George comp. The rest are playing in the huge and growing Cronulla comp. A move to the gong by st george is logical and gives them access to a massive junior nursery for themselves and leaves the southern region to the sharks. Manly, no doubt, need to position themselves as the club north of the bridge and show a bit more ambition about this. These things will happen in time as they make sense. A lot more sense than ripping another club a part.

Wollongong cannot support a club on its own.

The decline of the St George competition proves there's not enough room in Southern Sydney for two NRL clubs. It validates everything I've been saying for months.

 

[Pippen94]

Like Easts

Not really. Eastern Suburbs of Sydney a much bigger catchment than those examples. Newtown probably best example

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Exactly.

It's a wealthy end of town, which is where the historical concentration of Union in the area, being a an upper-middle class sport and all. Kind of the market we want for the dollars. Like how a loser club like Tottenham can be so financial. It's fans tend wealthy.

Manly Warringah Sea Eagles are hardly flush with funds. North Sydney Bears were broke by 2003, without a stadium of their own, and Sea Eagles have picked up low end sponsors over the past 20 years.

Cowboys, Storm, Broncos, Raiders Warriors and Titans draw better sponsorship deals with more affluent companies than the turkeys from Manly.

Roosters have no trouble signing good sponsorship deals.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It’s a big, lucrative market that needs to be done right. There’s already a team there, it’s not like we’re talking about adding a team to reach that market, the infrastructure in the region needs improvements and how the game is governed there needs to be completely overhauled.

Neither of these things will ever happen. Manly will never rebrand to North Sydney Sea Eagles and they'll never relocate to SFS. They're a low brow club run by insular dinosaurs who think it's still 1967.

 

[Wb1234]

Wollongong cannot support a club on its own.

The decline of the St George competition proves there's not enough room in Southern Sydney for two NRL clubs. It validates everything I've been saying for months.

You know the part owner of the dragons is a billionaire yeh ?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Look if it makes you happy wishing for less Sydney nrl teams and posting about this on here satisfies those urges then you go for it

the problem is that it has zero chance of actually happening. It’s about as likely as an nrl side in Singapore

I'm following the theme of this thread, which is stagnant Sydney clubs and how to make them better. It's my opinion that one club from Southern Sydney can become big by rebranding while the other one bites the dust and, Roosters can become like the Broncos on the basis Sea Eagles f**k off.

Sydney's NRL clubs are struggling to compete with the Swans because they're cannibalising themselves into oblivion. The big end of town has voted with their dollars and are not getting behind all nine Sydney NRL clubs. Fans are reluctant to attend games to the same extent as the Swans. It is what it is and refusing to acknowledge it will not solve anything.

 

[Wb1234]

Manly Warringah Sea Eagles are hardly flush with funds. North Sydney Bears were broke by 2003, without a stadium of their own, and Sea Eagles have picked up low end sponsors over the past 20 years.

Cowboys, Storm, Broncos, Raiders Warriors and Titans draw better sponsorship deals with more affluent companies than the turkeys from Manly.

Roosters have no trouble signing good sponsorship deals.

You know the owner of manly is a billionaire yeh

lol