Stalled and stagnant Sydney clubs

[Perth Red]

But Perth, Adelaide or Darwin dont have SG Ball teams

What? We've had one in WA since 2010!, its currently in hiatus due to covid

 

[Iamback]

I have no doubts we would end up with same model with WA fielding Pirates teams in HM, SG and NSW cup as well as a partnership agreement with a Qlnd cup side or another NSW cup side. Below that we already have 26 WA clubs fielding Jnr sides and elite academies and Jnr rep sides playing each other.

Interestingly when the Reds joined in they went the other way and brought over dozens of young players to play in the WARL comp with the notion that they could strengthen the local comp to the level needed to be the feeder for the ARL team.

you want those Matt guys ready to go in NRL when the side comes in. Because recruiting will be very hard

 

[Perth Red]

you want those Matt guys ready to go in NRL when the side comes in. Because recruiting will be very hard

Thats why ideally with WA we'd have a 3-4 year lead in time from announcement. We are currently in a chicken abnd egg situation where we cant field HM and reserve grade without certainty of a club and yet some people think we need those to have the development pathways ready. We already have an alite U19's program, SG Ball when it resumes U15 academy and elite Jnr rep comp locally so its not like we are starting from scratch.

But like I said Dolphins have all those things well established and still are signing all their first grade players from the other clubs. No way any team can start off with just its own reserve grade stepping up.

Recruiting could be made easier but needs the NRL to get off its 'everyone is equal' box.

 

[Colk]

Buddy let’s no questions each other’s credentials bc it will make you look silly

I’m going to dumb this down for you

Perth maybe rich but it’s afl territory. It’s not like nrl can capture more than a small slice of the market there just like they have in Melbourne

as the storm have shown, the club won’t add much in the way of new tv viewers or growing tv audiences. In terms of adding new juniors it’s won’t be much either.

it’s literally just a pin in a map. And someone has to pay 100 million for that pin to srurvive and it won’t be the arlc.

like I said the team will have a terrible roi

rather than copying afl and putting teams into place that aren’t wanted the arlc should look at place where they can expand too that will actually grow the sport meaningfully

Your first statement is classic overcompensation, to the point where it’s bumptious. If you don’t want me to question a moronic statement, then don’t make moronic statements. It’s pretty simple. You know don’t state that a CC side is expansion. That’s called consolidation at best and cannibalising a market most likely. Also back up assertions.

I’ll dumb it down for you even further. This is why Perth will/would be considered. Now before you jump in again, I said considered not picked

1. Don’t lazily compare two cities or areas that have completely different demographics. For example, Perth’s population has doubled over the past 30 years driven by massive business investment. A lot of this investment has came from net migration from the east coast. There are also quite a lot of ex-pats from England, South Africa and New Zealand so there is a potential audience.

Anyway in any case the idea that something is a rusted AFL/NRL or whatever else post globalisation and mass migration is completely ridiculous. Demographics constantly change so the idea that an individual community can’t change or is stagnant is completely wrong and as a business would be self ruining.

2. You don’t expand or get new customers in places where you are already have a strong presence. For example, if I am from the CC or from the Ipswich (particularly now that you have a second Brisbane side) I already have access to the game. I would have already decided to follow the game or not. If that person already has, then they already follow a team and you would be taking away existing supporters. At least with Perth or NZ 2 (if it’s in Christchurch for example), people who are aware of the game could now actively support the game through attendance - they are new active supporters.

3. Advertising goes both ways. So we are not talking about advertising into a Perth we are talking about advertising into NSW, QLD or Vic. So if I am a company based into Perth, I now have a good chance to advertise and penetrate east coast markets. Also, because of the greater penetration into NSW and QLD has, as opposed to AFL, there is a greater potential than before. That equals opportunity which equals advertising revenue.

 

[Iamback]

Thats why ideally with WA we'd have a 3-4 year lead in time from announcement. We are currently in a chicken abnd egg situation where we cant field HM and reserve grade without certainty of a club and yet some people think we need those to have the development pathways ready. We already have an alite U19's program, SG Ball when it resumes U15 academy and elite Jnr rep comp locally so its not like we are starting from scratch.

But like I said Dolphins have all those things well established and still are signing all their first grade players from the other clubs. No way any team can start off with just its own reserve grade stepping up.

Recruiting could be made easier but needs the NRL to get off its 'everyone is equal' box.

GC didn't have pathways in place. Now are paying for it
Dolphins are having issues getting a decent FG squad but have the pathways in place

 

[The Mad Hatter]

The timezone is about all a Perth bid has. NZ 2 should be team 18.

Perth offers

- new time zone; a new frontier
- new fans, new corporate money
- A national footprint for sponsors and advertisers … you know, the merkins who pay for, and make money out of, rugby league
- a million plus new fans
- junior growth area
- an area with 75 years history
ticks all the boxes imho

 

[Iamback]

Perth offers

- new time zone; a new frontier
- new fans, new corporate money
- A national footprint for sponsors and advertisers … you know, the merkins who pay for, and make money out of, rugby league
- a million plus new fans
- junior growth area
- an area with 75 years history
ticks all the boxes imho

Has anyone in business actually asked for a team from there? I have yet to see it.
A few former players have said but have to see the Business case because the recent expansion have been failures imo

 

[Perth Red]

GC didn't have pathways in place. Now are paying for it
Dolphins are having issues getting a decent FG squad but have the pathways in place

Aside from a reserve grade side what pathways do you think we dont currently have? We have U15's, U18's U19s programs.
Sure the current pathways can be improved but Id say we sit between the Dolphins and GC examples you've given.

 

[Perth Red]

Has anyone in business actually asked for a team from there? I have yet to see it.
A few former players have said but have to see the Business case because the recent expansion have been failures imo

Not sure what you mean by business? Generally businesses are corporate supporters who come on board when an opportunity arises. Its not Japan where businesses own sports clubs.

 

[Colk]

Has anyone in business actually asked for a team from there? I have yet to see it.
A few former players have said but have to see the Business case because the recent expansion have been failures imo

There have been reports of it i.e private backers wanting to put money into it if it was approved. Make of that what you will.

Also the previous expansion sides to Perth and Adelaide didn’t fail, so much as they weren’t given an opportunity to succeed. If after 10-20 years, they fell by the wayside like Gold Coast, Newtown or Wests, then you could call it a failure.

 

[Perth Red]

There have been reports of it i.e private backers wanting to put money into it if it was approved. Make of that what you will.

Also the previous expansion sides to Perth and Adelaide didn’t fail, so much as they weren’t given an opportunity to succeed. If after 10-20 years, they fell by the wayside like Gold Coast, Newtown or Wests, then you could call it a failure.

Its been reported there are three potential owners. Also heard on the grapevine a Qlnd/WA based mining company is lined up as first main sponsor but cant say how true that is.

This story from over ten years ago now had at the time a number of companies lined up to sponsor.
Western Australia’s bid team claim they’d be among the highest sponsorship-earning NRL clubs within two years if admitted to the competition.
WARL chief executive John Sackson said about $4 million worth of company sponsorship commitments were already on the table and one of them was prepared to commit $1.5 million to be the team’s major sponsor.
Despite having only been able to sell “hopes and dreams” at this stage, McManis said the interest shown by the business community made them believe the club would be very profitable.
“We’ve had a bit of a roadshow around some of the corporates of Perth, particularly the top end of town,” he said.
“If we’re awarded a licence, we anticipate we could go close to being the highest sponsor-earning NRL club in our first two years.”

Finance not an issue in West Australia league bid – The Roar

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Its been reported there are three potential owners. Also heard on the grapevine a Qlnd/WA based mining company is lined up as first main sponsor but cant say how true that is.

This story from over ten years ago now had at the time a number of companies lined up to sponsor.
Western Australia’s bid team claim they’d be among the highest sponsorship-earning NRL clubs within two years if admitted to the competition.
WARL chief executive John Sackson said about $4 million worth of company sponsorship commitments were already on the table and one of them was prepared to commit $1.5 million to be the team’s major sponsor.
Despite having only been able to sell “hopes and dreams” at this stage, McManis said the interest shown by the business community made them believe the club would be very profitable.
“We’ve had a bit of a roadshow around some of the corporates of Perth, particularly the top end of town,” he said.
“If we’re awarded a licence, we anticipate we could go close to being the highest sponsor-earning NRL club in our first two years.”

Finance not an issue in West Australia league bid – The Roar

Perth has a history of producing well run sporting clubs that are successful. Scorchers in cricket. Wildcats in basketball. Eagles and Dockers in fumbleball. Glory in sooker. I'm sure they can put together a rugby league team that will add clout and prestige to our game id not hampered by a toxic Sydney-centric administration, like the one run by Arthurson and Quayle.

Once Perth is in we will only absent in Adelaide. I think NZ 2 and 3 should be ahead of Adelaide. I know NZ 3 is a long way from even being contemplated, but if we want rugby league to grow in NZ then it's a necessity and should be provided assistance from the NZRL and ARLC. The last thing onionball wants is three local NRL teams providing pathways to local talent to play in the world's largest "rugby" competition without having to move out of the country. 108 players spread across 3 teams would be great for NZ.

 

[Colk]

Perth has a history of producing well run sporting clubs that are successful. Scorchers in cricket. Wildcats in basketball. Eagles and Dockers in fumbleball. Glory in sooker. I'm sure they can put together a rugby league team that will add clout and prestige to our game id not hampered by a toxic Sydney-centric administration, like the one run by Arthurson and Quayle.

Once Perth is in we will only absent in Adelaide. I think NZ 2 and 3 should be ahead of Adelaide. I know NZ 3 is a long way from even being contemplated, but if we want rugby league to grow in NZ then it's a necessity and should be provided assistance from the NZRL and ARLC. The last thing onionball wants is three local NRL teams providing pathways to local talent to play in the world's largest "rugby" competition without having to move out of the country. 108 players spread across 3 teams would be great for NZ.

Totally agree. Adelaide is a bit different to Perth in a sense that there is not as much as economic benefit (SA’s economy pales into comparison to WA’s) and migration from NSW and QLD into SA is nowhere near as pronounced. I’m not saying that there could never be a side, there is just not as many positives as Perth. Hopefully one day though.

On the NZ aspect, the most pressing issue is where do you spread the three sides? It may have already been discussed (and apologies if it has been) but I’m sure one of our antipodean neighbours would know.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Totally agree. Adelaide is a bit different to Perth in a sense that there is not as much as economic benefit (SA’s economy pales into comparison to WA’s) and migration from NSW and QLD into SA is nowhere near as pronounced. I’m not saying that there could never be a side, there is just not as many positives as Perth. Hopefully one day though.

On the NZ aspect, the most pressing issue is where do you spread the three sides? It may have already been discussed (and apologies if it has been) but I’m sure one of our antipodean neighbours would know.

Auckland. Wellington. Christchurch.

 

[Colk]

Auckland. Wellington. Christchurch.

Wellington is not real big though. It wouldn’t be much bigger than say Townsville

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Wellington is not real big though. It wouldn’t be much bigger than say Townsville

Maybe 2 or 3 teams can be added to the Queensland Cup.

 

[Wb1234]

Perth has a history of producing well run sporting clubs that are successful. Scorchers in cricket. Wildcats in basketball. Eagles and Dockers in fumbleball. Glory in sooker. I'm sure they can put together a rugby league team that will add clout and prestige to our game id not hampered by a toxic Sydney-centric administration, like the one run by Arthurson and Quayle.

Once Perth is in we will only absent in Adelaide. I think NZ 2 and 3 should be ahead of Adelaide. I know NZ 3 is a long way from even being contemplated, but if we want rugby league to grow in NZ then it's a necessity and should be provided assistance from the NZRL and ARLC. The last thing onionball wants is three local NRL teams providing pathways to local talent to play in the world's largest "rugby" competition without having to move out of the country. 108 players spread across 3 teams would be great for NZ.

Uh Arko and Quayle were the ones who put a Perth team in the arl. It was news ltd who killed them off and moved them to Melbourne.

and the Perth union side that was a major failure

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Uh Arko and Quayle were the ones who put a Perth team in the arl. It was news ltd who killed them off and moved them to Melbourne.

and the Perth union side that was a major failure

Arthurson and Quayle forced all four expansion sides to cover travel and accommodation costs for the broke-arse Sydney clubs across first grade and reserve grade. It bankrupted the clubs and was incredibly discriminatory. Cowboys, Reds and Warriors jumped ship to Super League to get away from this discriminatory practice. Super League didn't want the Crushers so they were f**ked. The sooks who whinge about Super League should shut up and be grateful their Sydney clubs were never treated so poorly. If the Sydney-centric ARL didn't treat non-Sydney clubs with so much contempt then there wouldn't have been a Super League War.

 

[Colk]

Maybe 2 or 3 teams can be added to the Queensland Cup.

I’m definitely not having a go at three NZ sides. It would be brilliant if it could work.

That’s not a bad idea to get it started.

 

[Wb1234]

Auckland. Wellington. Christchurch.

Based in Christchurch
Then games in Wellington Dunedin and Hamilton