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Stalled and stagnant Sydney clubs

Perth Red

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foxtel pay the nrl more than any other sport. It’s only fair they get some preferences. The arlc decided to can Monday night football against the wishes of foxtel.
Hmmm
Accept friday 6pm shit ko time
close down nrl media arm that is direct competitor to Fox News
Close down free telstra streaming to purely benefit kayo
choose dolphins bid as thats what suits news ltd best
accept $100mill less from fox than the last deal

yep news ltd still run the game lol
 

Wb1234

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Hmmm
Accept friday 6pm shit ko time
close down nrl media arm that is direct competitor to Fox News
Close down free telstra streaming to purely benefit kayo
choose dolphins bid as thats what suits news ltd best
accept $100mill less from fox than the last deal

yep news ltd still run the game lol
the only person who believes foxtel paid less now is you. Foxtel are literally paying the nrl more than the afl and the afl have more games than we do.

you know by stopping Telstra from free streaming it cost foztel money right ? Because Telstra were paying foxtel for that. The nrl taking it away is actually bad for foxtel not good.
 

Pippen94

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The Broncos are bigger and richer than every Sydney club. Companies line up to sponsor the Broncos whereas the Sydney clubs only pick up the crumbs. The amount of people who watch the game in Brisbane is not far off Sydney.

The Dolphins' sponsorship deal with Adventure Kings is richer than most clubs, especially the ones from Sydney.

f**k, even the Townsville-based Cowboys have a better sponsorship deal than most Sydney clubs!


We not talking broncos. We talking about soutgs magpies & valleys etc. Would they have been better off with pokies?! Probably, but bigger than Illawarra leagues or Newcastle wests?! Those clubs were cashed up & powerful & Sydney premiership still replaced their entire comp with one team.
 
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Wb1234

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We not talking broncos. We talking about soutgs magpies & valleys etc. Would they have been better off with pokies?! Probably, but bigger than Wollongong workers or Newcastle wests?! Those clubs were cashed up & powerful & Sydney premiership still replaced their entire comp with one team.
I hope nobody tells him the dolphins …the team in his avatar …. Have pokies lol
 
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We not talking broncos. We talking about soutgs magpies & valleys etc. Would they have been better off with pokies?! Probably, but bigger than Illawarra leagues or Newcastle wests?! Those clubs were cashed up & powerful & Sydney premiership still replaced their entire comp with one team.
It all depends on how many pokies they could house within their Leagues Club. Going by its central location, a hypothetical Leagues Club filled to the brim with pokies at Neumann Oval in Albion could draw in a lot of money. Close to trains, buses and the CBD of Australia's third largest city.

Wynnum Manly, Redcliffe and Eastern Suburbs are thriving with pokies at their Leagues Clubs. All three will have their own purpose built stadium within a decade. Imagine how much more advanced their infrastructure would be if they had access to pokies from 1956!

The problem for Pastoral Brothers Leprechauns, Fortitude Valley Diehards, Western Suburbs Panthers and Northern Suburbs Devils is there wasn't enough space between them to maintain a strong supporter base. It's why three of them no longer compete at the highest level of Queensland Rugby League. Southern Suburbs Magpies are in a terrible location at West End and its demographics have changed. Plus it's not too far away from the Eastern Suburbs Tigers, who are easier to access as they're not squashed in on a river behind a factory. The BRL was always going to face rationalisation of its inner city clubs. To be honest I'm surprised Southern Suburbs are still based in West End. They would make far more money by relocating permanently to Logan and rebranding as Logan Magpies.

Can you name one club from Wollongong and Newcastle that was as star studded as the 1986 Wynnum Manly Seagulls?

There were four Australian representatives in the 1986 Wynnum Manly team. It was captained by the greatest ever player, Wally Lewis. If it could amass the best team in the country in 1986, imagine how big it would have been with pokies in a world where NSWRL didn't?
 

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It all depends on how many pokies they could house within their Leagues Club. Going by its central location, a hypothetical Leagues Club filled to the brim with pokies at Neumann Oval in Albion could draw in a lot of money. Close to trains, buses and the CBD of Australia's third largest city.

Wynnum Manly, Redcliffe and Eastern Suburbs are thriving with pokies at their Leagues Clubs. All three will have their own purpose built stadium within a decade. Imagine how much more advanced their infrastructure would be if they had access to pokies from 1956!

The problem for Pastoral Brothers Leprechauns, Fortitude Valley Diehards, Western Suburbs Panthers and Northern Suburbs Devils is there wasn't enough space between them to maintain a strong supporter base. It's why three of them no longer compete at the highest level of Queensland Rugby League. Southern Suburbs Magpies are in a terrible location at West End and its demographics have changed. Plus it's not too far away from the Eastern Suburbs Tigers, who are easier to access as they're not squashed in on a river behind a factory. The BRL was always going to face rationalisation of its inner city clubs. To be honest I'm surprised Southern Suburbs are still based in West End. They would make far more money by relocating permanently to Logan and rebranding as Logan Magpies.

Can you name one club from Wollongong and Newcastle that was as star studded as the 1986 Wynnum Manly Seagulls?

There were four Australian representatives in the 1986 Wynnum Manly team. It was captained by the greatest ever player, Wally Lewis. If it could amass the best team in the country in 1986, imagine how big it would have been with pokies in a world where NSWRL didn't?

Wynnum was stacked. South's had Mal, Jackson, Belcher, Linder..
Doesn't change fact game would always be centered around Sydney.
 
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I hope nobody tells him the dolphins …the team in his avatar …. Have pokies lol
I never said they didn't have pokies, but you already know that and are deflecting because you don't have a point. What I have been saying is licenced venues in Queensland were prohibited from having gaming machines until the mid 1990s. That provided the NSWRL clubs with almost 40 years of gambling revenue from pokies. They used that money to build better facilities and lure players away from Queensland. In just 30 years, the Dolphins, Tigers and Seagulls have caught to the NSWRL clubs and surpassed many of them. If they could do that after being almost bankrupt in 1988, imagine how strong they would be if they had them from 1956 and NSWRL clubs didn't until the mid-1990s?

Seagulls, Tigers and Dolphins will have their own purpose built stadia. Seagulls could theoretically set up a second Leagues Club at Kitchener Park, which is the home of their juniors and the site of their proposed stadium.
 
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Wynnum was stacked. South's had Mal, Jackson, Belcher, Linder..
Doesn't change fact game would always be centered around Sydney.
This is just an opinion.

The fact is the primary source of income for NSWRL clubs since 1956 has been revenue from gaming machines. BRL clubs didn't have access to this revenue stream until the mid-1990s. Taking away the main revenue stream for NSWRL clubs from 1956 would be a game changer, especially if BRL clubs were given access to it 40 years earlier. I don't think we would have 8 BRL clubs in a national competition under my hypothetical scenario, but we would have at least three or four plus two or three Sydney clubs.

We know what happened to Balmain when their Leagues Club did away with pokies.
 

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This is just an opinion.

The fact is the primary source of income for NSWRL clubs since 1956 has been revenue from gaming machines. BRL clubs didn't have access to this revenue stream until the mid-1990s. Taking away the main revenue stream for NSWRL clubs from 1956 would be a game changer, especially if BRL clubs were given access to it 40 years earlier. I don't think we would have 8 BRL clubs in a national competition under my hypothetical scenario, but we would have at least three or four plus two or three Sydney clubs.

We know what happened to Balmain when their Leagues Club did away with pokies.

Wouldn't happen even an alternate universe
 

Wb1234

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This is just an opinion.

The fact is the primary source of income for NSWRL clubs since 1956 has been revenue from gaming machines. BRL clubs didn't have access to this revenue stream until the mid-1990s. Taking away the main revenue stream for NSWRL clubs from 1956 would be a game changer, especially if BRL clubs were given access to it 40 years earlier. I don't think we would have 8 BRL clubs in a national competition under my hypothetical scenario, but we would have at least three or four plus two or three Sydney clubs.

We know what happened to Balmain when their Leagues Club did away with pokies.
Nswrl dwarfed the brl or qrl for 50 years without pokies.

Nsw players went to Brisbane for an early retirement payday just like they go to super league today

from the time it was established the nswrl was the dominant league competition in Australia. Over time it evolved into the strongest rugby league competition on the planet

it also helped revive a moribund rugby league in Queensland

even today it’s nsw people like vlandys adding the dolphins to the N(SW)RL to shore up league in Queensland from the threat of afl
 
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Nswrl dwarfed the brl or qrl for 50 years without pokies.

Nsw players went to Brisbane for an early retirement payday just like they go to super league today

from the time it was established the nswrl was the dominant league competition in Australia. Over time it evolved into the strongest rugby league competition in the planet

it also helped revive a Dormant rugby league in Queensland

even today it’s nsw people like vlandys adding the dolphins to the N(SW)RL to shore up league in Queensland from the threat of afl
NSWRFL was formed on the back of onionball players who defected to the new sport. The QRL had to recruit from scratch as no one from the QRU jumped ship until onionball folded in Brisbane around WWI. The Brisbane competition then started to compete with the NSWRFL until a former onionball club that jumped ship to RL - - possibly Brothers - - went back to playing onionball.

The Dolphins weren't added to defend RL from fumbleball. They were brought in because no one in Queensland could be f**ked into watching cockroach clubs on Ch9. Games involving the Broncos, Cowboys, Titans and Storm draw considerably higher ratings in Brisbane than ones that have a couple of cockroach clubs running around Stadium Australia in front of 9k fans.

Dolphins are also a financial powerhouse that dwarf most NSWRL clubs. Don't be surprised if Easts Tigers are the 18th team.

PVL has been the best thing for RL since Tina Turner.
 

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NSWRFL was formed on the back of onionball players who defected to the new sport. The QRL had to recruit from scratch as no one from the QRU jumped ship until onionball folded in Brisbane around WWI. The Brisbane competition then started to compete with the NSWRFL until a former onionball club that jumped ship to RL - - possibly Brothers - - went back to playing onionball.

The Dolphins weren't added to defend RL from fumbleball. They were brought in because no one in Queensland could be f**ked into watching cockroach clubs on Ch9. Games involving the Broncos, Cowboys, Titans and Storm draw considerably higher ratings in Brisbane than ones that have a couple of cockroach clubs running around Stadium Australia in front of 9k fans.

Dolphins are also a financial powerhouse that dwarf most NSWRL clubs. Don't be surprised if Easts Tigers are the 18th team.

PVL has been the best thing for RL since Tina Turner.
Please never change. This is so much fun to read this.
 
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Wouldn't happen even an alternate universe
What makes you so confident it couldn't happen?

We've already seen seven established NSWRL clubs bite the dust despite having gaming machine revenue as an income stream. South Sydney, North Sydney, Western Suburbs, Balmain, Manly Warringah, St George and Newtown. Cronulla Sutherland needed to be bailed out. That's eight clubs bankrolled by gaming machines who've found themselves in financial strife over the last forty years. They couldn't handle the transition from semi-professionalism to professionalism.

What makes you think they would fare any better without pokies?

Balmain went from being the senior partner of the Wests Tigers to owning just 10% after getting rid of their pokies. That pretty much sums up what would have happened to most Sydney clubs if they never had access to gaming machines from 1956 in an alternate universe where BRL clubs had pokies to fill their coffers. See the current day Redcliffe Dolphins, Easts Tigers and Wynnum Manly Seagulls to see how powerful BRL can be with pokies in their Leagues Clubs. That's after less than 30 years of having gaming machine revenue available in Queensland, compared to the NSWRL clubs having it for 66 years.
 
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Please never change. This is so much fun to read this.
Read and weep.

"In the 1920s, when the local rugby union competitions fell apart, quality players flooded the league competitions, particularly in Toowoomba and Ipswich, but also in Brisbane, leading to a decade when Queensland was the dominant rugby league state. Queensland won the interstate series eight times between 1922 and 1932.

In the 1950s there was a period after World War II – before poker machine money provided NSW with a competitive advantage – when Brisbane was able to retain a rich group of quality players, particularly forwards. During this period Queensland was not dominant, but was highly competitive. During this period Queensland won the interstate competition in 1951, 1959 and 1960.

And finally, in the 1980s, an extremely talented group of young players emerged in Brisbane and their exposure to State of Origin and the professionalism of their southern counterparts raised the bar in the Brisbane competition, even as the clubs bankrupted themselves in one final push to keep those players in the local competition. During this period Queensland D won the first two clashes in 1980 and 1981 and then won seven series between 1982 and 1991 with this nucleus of players."

 

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Read and weep.

"In the 1920s, when the local rugby union competitions fell apart, quality players flooded the league competitions, particularly in Toowoomba and Ipswich, but also in Brisbane, leading to a decade when Queensland was the dominant rugby league state. Queensland won the interstate series eight times between 1922 and 1932.

In the 1950s there was a period after World War II – before poker machine money provided NSW with a competitive advantage – when Brisbane was able to retain a rich group of quality players, particularly forwards. During this period Queensland was not dominant, but was highly competitive. During this period Queensland won the interstate competition in 1951, 1959 and 1960.

And finally, in the 1980s, an extremely talented group of young players emerged in Brisbane and their exposure to State of Origin and the professionalism of their southern counterparts raised the bar in the Brisbane competition, even as the clubs bankrupted themselves in one final push to keep those players in the local competition. During this period Queensland D won the first two clashes in 1980 and 1981 and then won seven series between 1982 and 1991 with this nucleus of players."

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Read and weep.

"In the 1920s, when the local rugby union competitions fell apart, quality players flooded the league competitions, particularly in Toowoomba and Ipswich, but also in Brisbane, leading to a decade when Queensland was the dominant rugby league state. Queensland won the interstate series eight times between 1922 and 1932.

In the 1950s there was a period after World War II – before poker machine money provided NSW with a competitive advantage – when Brisbane was able to retain a rich group of quality players, particularly forwards. During this period Queensland was not dominant, but was highly competitive. During this period Queensland won the interstate competition in 1951, 1959 and 1960.

And finally, in the 1980s, an extremely talented group of young players emerged in Brisbane and their exposure to State of Origin and the professionalism of their southern counterparts raised the bar in the Brisbane competition, even as the clubs bankrupted themselves in one final push to keep those players in the local competition. During this period Queensland D won the first two clashes in 1980 and 1981 and then won seven series between 1982 and 1991 with this nucleus of players."

You know when they celebrate the centenary of rugby league in Australia it’s celebrating the nswrl ? The club competition in Brisbane didn’t start till 1909 and even then they couldnt find players

the competing was weak and almost broke

the only thing that saved it was yours by nsw to play games against Queensland
 

Perth Red

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the only person who believes foxtel paid less now is you. Foxtel are literally paying the nrl more than the afl and the afl have more games than we do.

you know by stopping Telstra from free streaming it cost foztel money right ? Because Telstra were paying foxtel for that. The nrl taking it away is actually bad for foxtel not good.
Lol, did Vlandys originally accept $100mill less? Yes he did
does telstra not free streaming benefit kayo? Yes it does
 
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Really you actually know how many of the Roosters NRL squad came through their Junior Systems and or played none or very little NRL previously

Keighran - 9 previous NRL games - Roosters - 15 NRL games
Hutchinson - 4 previous NRL games - Roosters 36 NRL games
Tedesco - 90 previous NRL games - Roosters 97 NRL games
Naigama - 113 previous NRL games - Roosters 3 NRL games
Keary - 63 previous NRL games - Roosters 101 NRL games
JWH - 6 previous NRL games - Roosters 261 NRL games
Atoni - 43 previous NRL games - Roosters 0 NRL games
SST- 1 previous NRL games - Roosters 155 NRL games

* Crichton - 55 NRL games - Roosters 68 NRL games - Crichton played Juniors with the Roosters in Harold Matthews/ and in the SG Ball premiership winning side which included Joey Manu and Latrell Mitchell before going to Union and then signed by the Souths.

* Keary was booted from Souths by Crowe in any case

 

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