Stalled and stagnant Sydney clubs

[Colk]

imagine there was an afl fan from Newcastle (australia) going onto afl forums and telling them they should kill off some Melbourne teams for a Newcastle afl team.

how do you think they would be perceived.

That is a pretty interesting comparison. AFL crowd attendances and memberships are at least double of Sydney NRL sides.

Also Newcastle is a about one quarter of the population of Perth but anyway

 

[Colk]

Ok you stick to basing your expertise on rugby league due to online interaction lmao

I’m from Newcastle. Maybe you shouldn’t make assumptions

 

[Colk]

Exact reason why Perth doesn't need a team

And why the Bears would be a success

Anyway

A comp with all NSW based teams could survive very easily

Just add the CC Bears and you have a ready made 12 team 22 round comp

This is the most insane post I have seen. Is this a troll or does somebody actually believe this?

 

[Colk]

It's a lucrative market NRL's missing out on

There are a whole bunch of lucrative markets RL is missing on

 

[Perth Red]

imagine there was an afl fan from Newcastle (australia) going onto afl forums and telling them they should kill off some Melbourne teams for a Newcastle afl team.

how do you think they would be perceived.

I suspect theres plenty who can see in some ways they are equally over saturated Hence why a couple of the Melbourne clubs need a big financial bail out every year.

 

[Colk]

Mainly English & south african

What’s your point? There is still not one homogenous culture

 

[Perth Red]

That is one of the most ridiculous posts I have seen for a while. You have heard of the Internet and Pay TV/streaming services right?

Tbf he doesn’t come across as the brightest tool in the box lol. just the latest in a very long line of not very bright rl fans I’ve encountered on here over the last 15 years

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Agreed. The only expansion that will come now is proper expansion in fresh new expansion franchises.

This American style fantasy of relocating clubs simply won't wash and won't work.

Brisbane Lions and Sydney Swans are relocated clubs. In the Swans' case they've become the biggest sporting club in Sydney, thus proving everything you just said is delusional bullshit.

Whenever anyone brings up rationalisation the go to argument used by hysterical NSWRL worshippers is the fans of the discarded club will go watch fumbleball and attend Swans matches at the SCG. But hey, apparently relocation doesn't work in Australia...

 

[Colk]

Clearly you never tried to buy a house in Sydney; Manly & Sutherland aren't broke areas.
Central Coast never had a team. North Sydney did but they painfully disappeared & now interest is lowest there. Inner West was magpie (& jets) area, just so you know the history.

There's no evidence that Broncos wanted new team outside of cbd. Stop talking conspiracy.

I’m well aware of the housing market seeing I work in Sydney and I live outside of Sydney. If you don’t understand someone’s personal situation, then it is best not to assume.

Also your table, in isolation, can’t explain anything. If you were doing proper analysis, like you would at a university you would need to provide historical contexts and trends (for example what was the trend of support for the Bears pre their expulsion - was their support declining/increasing), what are the demographics of the area over a long time (pre and post expulsion) net migration levels and data ( where are people moving to and from North Sydney) to come up with any credible conclusion to the statement.

You also need to come up with explanations for inconsistencies in your proposal - for example how to explain the lower support in Eastern Suburbs which has been the base for the most successful side (easily) over the past 20 years, whereas areas without a side have the highest support in the game.

Anyway, even if the expulsion of the Bears had a negative effect and it probably has had some impact, that doesn’t also mean that we should bring them back (considering you already have 9 sides) or that they would necessarily now have the support to be a success

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I dont think Sydney has too many clubs per se, I just think the game isnt benefitting to the level it could by having so many clubs in one city. One it’s holding back expansion of the game as the arlc doesn’t think there’s enough money and players to bring in new clubs and two there are some clubs that have hardly changed in those 20 years and certainly haven't shown any real growth. Hence stagnation.
now not all of this is the clubs fault, the nrl in the way it has structured it’s relationship with tv certainly hasn’t helped and the SL war still has remnants of its impact. After 2 decades of not much change in the Sydney nrl landscape we are at least seeing some new stadia for some Sydney clubs which if they work hard to optimise will hopefully see some movement at long last.

The stadium rebuild is going to create a wider gap between the haves and have nots. The teams who don't get one will wither away and become a candidate for relocation or fold altogether. There's no guarantee Foxtel will be around by 2028 and if it folds then no one else is going to pay us what they do.

 

[Iamback]

There are a whole bunch of lucrative markets RL is missing on

Most have zero interest in the game.

Gotta have realistic expectations

 

[AdelaideSharky]

seriously these morons bagging the English super league ^, as if that's the NRL's competition...

It's more to do with an ignorant Englishman from Perth who has never lived in Sydney in his life trying to tell Sydneysiders what's best for Sydney.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It's more to do with an ignorant Englishman from Perth who has never lived in Sydney in his life trying to tell Sydneysiders what's best for Sydney.

You like to cry about how terrible it is to have people who are not from Sydney advocating rationalisation. The reason people talk about this subject is because the oversaturation of Sydney has negative consequences for the game everywhere else. Brisbane has been limited to just one team for all but three seasons after losing its competition in 1988. Perth had a team for three seasons. Adelaide had a team for just two. If you cannot see how this has stagnated the game's growth around the country then you're a few peas short of a casserole.

Narrow-minded NSWRL advocates like yourself talk about the game dying in Sydney if a small and unviable club like Cronulla is given the boot it deserves, but you ignore the damage caused by restricting the game's reach outside of Sydney just so we can have nine small teams in one city.

 

[Colk]

Most have zero interest in the game.

Gotta have realistic expectations

Based on what analysis or potential.

If you are talking about Perth and Adelaide, two years in top flight competitions where their crowds were on average better than a majority of Sydney clubs?

Also you are comparing support to what? Sydney teams with memberships of around 15k and crowds that are often less than that? One city teams of populations of over 2 million and 1.5 million should be at least able to achieve that.

For areas like NZ 2 again you wouldn’t have to dream big to have crowds and memberships that high, particularly if they are competently run

On the Pacific Islands proposal. the question would be about money and investment, not support.

 

[Pippen94]

What’s your point? There is still not one homogenous culture

Rugby culture

 

[Colk]

Rugby culture

And? You’ve never heard of people supporting more than one game. It happens more than you think

 

[Wb1234]

The stadium rebuild is going to create a wider gap between the haves and have nots. The teams who don't get one will wither away and become a candidate for relocation or fold altogether. There's no guarantee Foxtel will be around by 2028 and if it folds then no one else is going to pay us what they do.

bro please

I suspect theres plenty who can see in some ways they are equally over saturated Hence why a couple of the Melbourne clubs need a big financial bail out every year.

Ok then maybe you should go on big footy and tell them this. Because without your help they won’t work it out themselves

 

[Wb1234]

Tigers vs south’s
Now dragons vs roosters

without these classic games where would the game be in this country ?

imagine the game has to rely upon cowboys vs raiders it storm vs titans to be a big sport In Australia

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Tigers vs south’s
Now dragons vs roosters

without these classic games where would the game be in this country ?

imagine the game has to rely upon cowboys vs raiders it storm vs titans to be a big sport In Australia

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Broncos vs Cowboys is so big it can be staged in any round and still draw 40k. Sydney can only draw a crowd like that on ANZAC Day or Easter Friday.

LOL@NSWRL

 

[Colk]

bro please


Ok then maybe you should go on big footy and tell them this. Because without your help they won’t work it out themselves

I don’t think a Sydney team will die because of the increased grants but that doesn’t mean that about 3 or 4 teams shouldn’t want or need to become bigger in terms of corporate involvement, memberships and attendances.