Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

[DiegoNT]

My theory is Ben Solo thought when growing up and training with Luke hearing about how powerful Luke and Anakin were that he would be the next in line to carry on that legacy but then comes along Rey and she shows much more potential than he has ever displayed hence why he seeks more power from the darkside especially since he still seems to be struggling with that decision.

I like parts of that theory. But i still think rey being Lukes kid would be to obvious. I'd like her to be the kid of one of the other Knights of Ren. When kylo kills her parents Luke sees the need to hide Rey (who he sees as being strong with the force) from kylo's clutches.

Now if force awakens was to be a parallel to a new hope then VIII will be a dark twist like empire

I'd like to see
Luke train Rey to be powerful. Then towards the end of the training reveal what happened to her parents and how kylo killed them.

In the meantime kylo continues to be trained by snoke. While having powerful tricks, snoke can see kylo's weaknesses and knows he isn't the person to lead the first order.

Rey is now powerful and ready to take on kylo, but she keeps hearing luke and leia talk about trying to save kylo. This and the thoughts of kylo killing her parents and forcing her to grow up in slavery on jakku makes anger grow inside Rey. In the films climax she defeats snoke in an epic battle, before confronting a surrending kylo, who she kills in cold blood turning her to the darkside. We've had evil, whining emotional people turn to the darkside, but what if the good natured, kind and bubbly rey was the one to turn to the darkside. What a twist that'd make. Episode 9 would be devoted to stopping her (shock horror when the first order and the resistance team up to fight her, finally bringing peace to the galaxy), and the person who has to stop her is Finn, the guy who spent the 1st movie running away from his problems, and the person who spent the first 2 movies falling in love with her.

 

[Caped Crusader]

I'm waiting for Minotaur in Melbourne to get the collection of Shattered Empire comics in. That fills in a few of the blanks I'm told.

I've read them. Nothing in there about anyone's parentage barring Poe

 

[Last Week]

You'll excuse me if I don't recall much from the Phantom Menace.

Further to that, in the EU, they state that when Darth Plageuis was killed (by Sideous), his force/medicloreans is what impregnated Anakins mother with Anakin.

I personally don't like that explanation as Plageuis is not the most powerful force user to have lived, so how is it only he was able to do this? Why not Yoda?

The EU is interesting as it's a very thorough explanation of things in the movies. It provides great back stories. It's also cool to see when the EU is used in the movies. Like Luke training a new Jedi order. But some things in the EU are just stupid.

Ultimately, the EU is not canon. Therefore, the only certainty in the Star Wars universe is what's in the movies and TV shows. So asking for an explanation or a back story on things is pointless as Lucasfilm and Disney have openly said that the EU is not canon. Which is a good thing in my opinion, but many will disagree.

 

[Last Week]

It was a fun movie, but is anyone else concerned that this series might be about redeeming Kylo Ren/Ben Solo?

I mean, seriously the guy is just such a piece of shit character. I honestly have no interest in seeing the redemption story of spoiled brat with massive daddy issues who is heavily complicit in the murder of hundreds of billions of people. I just want them to kill him now, and quite brutally.

So you have the bad guy. I'd say they've accomplished that pretty easily.

I see Kylo as the most interesting character. He's already destructive with his power and use of the dark side. I hope he becomes ridiculously powerful and wreckless in the dark side. Total carnage. I hope he kills Snoke.

I think it's pretty clear that this trilogy is going to follow the rise of Rey as a Jedi and Kylo as a Sith/bad guy.

 

[Storm13]

I personally don't like that explanation as Plageuis is not the most powerful force user to have lived, so how is it only he was able to do this? Why not Yoda?

Not sure being the most powerful would have any bearing considering Qui Gon was the first to become one with the Force.

 

[Last Week]

Not sure being the most powerful would have any bearing considering Qui Gon was the first to become one with the Force.

Difference is Plageuis almost reincarnated himself. Not just became a ghost.

 

[LESStar58]

I've read them. Nothing in there about anyone's parentage barring Poe

I knew that much.

 

[RoosTah]

So you have the bad guy. I'd say they've accomplished that pretty easily.

I see Kylo as the most interesting character. He's already destructive with his power and use of the dark side. I hope he becomes ridiculously powerful and wreckless in the dark side. Total carnage. I hope he kills Snoke.

I think it's pretty clear that this trilogy is going to follow the rise of Rey as a Jedi and Kylo as a Sith/bad guy.

Really? Really? Seriously, he's just another Anakin, but one that had the benefit of a couple of loving parents who weren't slaves (heck, one was even a princess).

He's basically an Anakin with even less reason for being an evil douche; he's a spoiled brat who never feels like he's getting enough. There's nothing interesting about that; there's nothing in his motives for the audience to identify with. He's just a douche.

In a way, he's a bit like Joeffrey from Game of Thrones, but unlike the unmitigated sadistic sociopathy of that little prick, Abrams wants us to believe Ren is redeemable. He's not.

 

[DiegoNT]

While their are a few similarities between kylo and Anakin, there are also a few differences.
Anakin was always a Powerful force user, even without training. He grew up to be an accomplished and confident warrior. He also thought he was better then his masters.
While initially it seems kylo is powerful, its shown he doesn't have the strength to even compete with another force sensitive person, his fighting is sloppy and he is quite easily matched with a novice.
Anakin wanted to be his own man even though he was a jedi, he thought that he was stronger then the other masters and he continually got looked over for promotions and seemingly isn't trusted.
Kylo on the other hand is desperately trying to be Vader, copying his style, and is given the responsibility that Anakin craved, yet he is shown to have self doubt and doesn't seem to handle responsibility well.
So while they may seem similar, one is confident and can handle him self with ease while the other is full of self doubt and almost seems incompetant

 

[Storm13]

Difference is Plageuis almost reincarnated himself. Not just became a ghost.

What Im trying to say is it has nothing to do with how naturally gifted you are with the force.

 

[Chicken_Hunter]

Ok Roostah, we get it. You don't like kylo ren. Most other people think he was a great character.

 

[RoosTah]

Ok Roostah, we get it. You don't like kylo ren. Most other people think he was a great character.

They really don't. The general consensus in my experience has been great protagonists, well executed and well written dialogue, but poor villains.

 

[Apey]

Really? Really? Seriously, he's just another Anakin, but one that had the benefit of a couple of loving parents who weren't slaves (heck, one was even a princess).

He's basically an Anakin with even less reason for being an evil douche; he's a spoiled brat who never feels like he's getting enough. There's nothing interesting about that; there's nothing in his motives for the audience to identify with. He's just a douche.

In a way, he's a bit like Joeffrey from Game of Thrones, but unlike the unmitigated sadistic sociopathy of that little prick, Abrams wants us to believe Ren is redeemable. He's not.

Why would anyone want to, or should anyone, identify with the bad guy? Senseless (which we don't even know is senseless yet?) evil has always been a thing.

The only similarity with Anakin is that they were both good and went bad. Their personalities are noticeably different :?

How do we identify with Snoke? How do we identify with Palpatine even?

You strike me as someone who wants another Darth Vader but then would complain the sequels are going to be too much like the originals.

 

[Storm13]

The more I keep thinking about this movie the more I start to dislike it.

 

[strong_latte]

Finally seen it, and whilst I had a ball I agree with some here the Ren was kinda annoying and had a pretty stupid face. He was just so weird and geeky looking and it kinda took me out of the movie a bit when he removed his mask as he didn't at all look, sound or feel (character wise) like a kid Han and Leia would produce.

It was probably the only bit of casting I didn't like. Speaking of Han, his murder by Ren did feel pretty telegraphed and Ren's unconvincing acting and weak motivations made Han's death a surprisingly very "meh" moment for me as a result.

That said, on the whole I enjoyed it and thought everyone else was awesome and had fun and interesting development and dialogue. I also agree with some here that Snoke being CG didn't really fit the overall feel of the film, but it was all pretty brief so I'm willing to give it a chance.

 

[Walt Flanigan]

He's basically an Anakin with even less reason for being an evil douche; he's a spoiled brat who never feels like he's getting enough. There's nothing interesting about that; there's nothing in his motives for the audience to identify with. He's just a douche.

Same with Joffrey in Game of Thrones, but that worked.

 

[strong_latte]

Same with Joffrey in Game of Thrones, but that worked.

As he says though, with Ren we're led to believe he's redeemable. That was never the case in Game of Thrones. Having a narcissistic sadistic psychopath works as a model for a 'evil incarnate' villain, but not so much with one we're supposed to believe "has good in him"

 

[Iafeta]

So there I was in 1977 watching Star Wars VII. Ahh, its so hard these days, I get the two mixed up, since they're basically one in the same plot line with slightly different characters. I love Star Wars (the original series), and went in with very high hopes, but it was completely unoriginal. It was like seeing Return of the Jedi again with Luke v Darth replicated by Kylo Ren v Hans Solo, but you knew this time Kylo Ren wins because they gave it away when Rae tells him that he's not as strong as Darth Vader, so Kylo Ren has to kill Han Solo in front of them.

I'm still impressed with some of the action, but I see it as more or less the same. I thought the strength of the movie was in fact Fin, because finally they gave a Stormtrooper some characterisation. Not criticising it for not doing it earlier, but this time it made sense.

All in all, I liked it, but I wanted more originality.

 

[nöyd]

Fkn people boo-hooing at the prequels because they were nothing like the originals are now sooking because the latest one is too much like the originals.

Fkn hate people.

 

[strong_latte]

Fkn people boo-hooing at the prequels because they were nothing like the originals are now sooking because the latest one is too much like the originals.

Fkn hate people.

I think you missed the boat on why people hated the prequels... They were hated because they were terribly written, terribly shot and terribly acted. Not because they weren't "more like the original trilogy"