Star Wars The Last Jedi *** SPOILERS ***

[Last Week]

the only way the attempted tragedy of the movies work is if anakin and obi wan are friends who are then driven apart but the scripts don't actually do any of the work needed to make this work. george lucas can't write a script very well and most of the dialogue is either exposition or basic, unsubtle characterisation. characters often just flat out state their current emotional situation, especially in the obi/anakin ROTS fight.

if you didn't know anything about star wars and just watched, say, AOTC what would you think that the relationship of anakin/obi wan is? anakin seems super resentful of obi wan for not treating him like an adult, while obi wan is mostly just exasperated at this young kid who never listens to him. they don't hate each other sure, but the best of friends? nah.

The main tragedy of the prequels isn't that Anakin betrayed a friend. Rather, it's that he turned against everything he was taught and meant to be in order to save the one he loved. This in turn ended up killing the one he loved and still became an agent of evil. It was poetic. He did what he did out of love and lost it all because of it. He was doomed all along to be alone.

I would think that Anakin is a pupil of Obi Wan's. As Obi Wan said in ANH. I would think that Anakin is a young man who thought more of himself than what he actually was. I thought this was clever

 

[Last Week]

Further, I think people take what Obi Wan said in ANH far too seriously. It was like one sentence where he mentioned being a friend of Anakin.

Lets be honest people, the original trilogy was written on the spot.

 

[RockWheel]

Further, I think people take what Obi Wan said in ANH far too seriously. It was like one sentence where he mentioned being a friend of Anakin.

Lets be honest people, the original trilogy was written on the spot.

Do you mean that the whole trilogy wasn't planned out as a whole? because i'd agree with that.

or did you mean it was written quickly without revision?

 

[RockWheel]

The main tragedy of the prequels isn't that Anakin betrayed a friend. Rather, it's that he turned against everything he was taught and meant to be in order to save the one he loved. This in turn ended up killing the one he loved and still became an agent of evil. It was poetic. He did what he did out of love and lost it all because of it. He was doomed all along to be alone.

I would think that Anakin is a pupil of Obi Wan's. As Obi Wan said in ANH. I would think that Anakin is a young man who thought more of himself than what he actually was. I thought this was clever

that was the intention but personally I don't think it was executed at all well.

 

[God-King Dean]

haha, cmon guys - every single one of the SW movies are shithouse

People fall in love with the universe that was created. No one cares about the acting or the massive MASSIVE plotholes.

If you give the story itself a real life setting, it would go down as one of the worst movies of all time.

 

[RockWheel]

haha, cmon guys - every single one of the SW movies are shithouse

People fall in love with the universe that was created. No one cares about the acting or the massive MASSIVE plotholes.

If you give the story itself a real life setting, it would go down as one of the worst movies of all time.

if the movies were different to what they actually were they would be worse. that's some damn fine analysis.

 

[God-King Dean]

if the movies were different to what they actually were they would be worse. that's some damn fine analysis.

It is actually.
Take the script of a great movie, put it in any setting and it will still be good.

But put a bad script in a flashy setting and it still sell. Just look at the Avengers. Holy f**k those movies are bad. But look at those pretty colours & all those characters you know won't die fighting...

 

[Caped Crusader]

GKD is so edgy by fake hating something most people agree is great

Well done m9

 

[thorson1987]

GKD is so edgy by fake hating something most people agree is great

Well done m9

He sounds like the type of person whose mrs would have to finish his beer for him tbh.

 

[myrrh ken]

Not definitive that it was meant to be leia. there's speculation it was meant to be setting up another skywalker (based on drafts of empire) that would be introduced when they did another trilogy. more than likely that idea was dropped and the idea of making Luke and leia siblings was thought of during the development of Jedi.

Uhhh what about when luke force calls leia in ESB when hes dangling from cloud city?

 

[myrrh ken]

Thousands of movies share similar plot points, it's the rest of the stuff which sets them apart.

Yeah, using another death star for TFA was not the height of creativity but I can see they did it because they wanted to echo the original trilogy.

Calling it a remake of A New Hope is a lazy oversimplification and shows a lack of understanding of the elements which make up a film.

Obviously its intentional but rehashing the major plot points eg droid carrying important information, empire has a planet killing weapon that must be destroyed by an air raid should be open for criticism. They didnt need to do it, they already have the recurring characters for the fanbois

At least the second trilogy was fairly original plotwise.

 

[Hardcore_Fan]

Obviously its intentional but rehashing the major plot points eg droid carrying important information, empire has a planet killing weapon that must be destroyed by an air raid should be open for criticism. They didnt need to do it, they already have the recurring characters for the fanbois

At least the second trilogy was fairly original plotwise.

Classics like terminator and alien also share major plot points. Who gives a toss.

 

[myrrh ken]

Classics like terminator and alien also share major plot points. Who gives a toss.

Do you mean the crappy sequels?Nothing beyond t2 and aliens really count.

 

[Generalzod]

Can some one answer me this when Mace Windu fights Palpatine and you see his face get disfigured was that Palpatine tru form???

 

[RockWheel]

Uhhh what about when luke force calls leia in ESB when hes dangling from cloud city?

hey i didn't write the script, i'd think that was more just luke using his force powers to call someone he cared about (they were going for a love triangle between luke, han and leia. han and leia getting together was pretty surprising back when this movie came out). obi wan used his force powers to turn into a ghost to talk to luke and they're not related.

they were making these movies as they went along. when they came to make ESB, they decided to make vader luke's father, which was never the plan in the original movie. when they made ROTJ, they decided to make leia luke's sister, which was probably never the plan in the original two movies.

 

[LESStar58]

Do you mean the crappy sequels?Nothing beyond t2 and aliens really count.

Yes and no.

I actually think Alien resurrection is criminally underrated.

 

[myrrh ken]

Yes and no.

I actually think Alien resurrection is criminally underrated.

The acting is awful and the movie just had a b grade feel. Good moments and special effects.

I thought alien 3 was better but thats b grade too.

 

[Caped Crusader]

Can some one answer me this when Mace Windu fights Palpatine and you see his face get disfigured was that Palpatine tru form???

Yes

 

[gUt]

Star Wars is popular for the same reason that 80s/90s pop culture referencing 'comedians' get gigs.

Loved the original trilogy but now it's so obviously 100% fan service and HEY I KNOW THAT RECOGNISABLE THING SO I WILL CHEER NOW... gah.

Trying to be open minded about the current trilogy and the first movie was ok, but cannot be bothered with the spin offs and standalones.

 

[Hardcore_Fan]

Star Wars is popular for the same reason that 80s/90s pop culture referencing 'comedians' get gigs.

Loved the original trilogy but now it's so obviously 100% fan service and HEY I KNOW THAT RECOGNISABLE THING SO I WILL CHEER NOW... gah.

Trying to be open minded about the current trilogy and the first movie was ok, but cannot be bothered with the spin offs and standalones.

No one is forcing you to be bothered