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Star Wars The Last Jedi *** SPOILERS ***

bileduct

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You guys remind me of all the Star Wars fans that enjoyed The Phantom Menace.

Which actually isn't looking all that bad right now.
 

shiznit

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You guys remind me of all the Star Wars fans that enjoyed The Phantom Menace.

Which actually isn't looking all that bad right now.
You kinda remind me of...

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Ohhh but hang on... that’s Disney owned now so you hate Fox too... :joy::joy:
 

shiznit

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They were better than this.

Disney fans are getting more and more like Transformers fans.

This was miles better than the prequels.... unfortunately for you... Disney have made good films since they took control.

The prequels have nothing to do with Disney.

Ohhh... and I loved transformers... G1 transformers was a massive chunk of my childhood...

And as far as I’m concerned those transformers films absolutely took a giant shit on my childhood...
 

Parra Pride

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So how does it make sense that Rey with even less training manages to hold her own against Kylo and take out half of the Knights of Ren?

They just explain it away with she is powerful in the force. By that logic a child Annakin would have been able to take down Darth Maul on his own in Phantom Menace.

They had already shown Rey had some knowledge of fighting with that staff she carries around, which isn’t that far off using a saber. To what extent she has been trained there isn’t shown, but it’s more than what Luke had during the original trilogy. We know Kylo had not been fully trained when the faces off in TFA, so Rey holding her own isn’t completely out of the question.

They also weren’t the Knights of Ren.
 

Zoidberg

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I really enjoyed most of the movie on first view, need to go see it again and see if some things come off better 2nd time.

-My only major gripe, only in that i feel it slowed the pace of the movie, was the Canto Bite sequence, I liked seeing the place but maybe wasn’t needed.

-The final act my legs were shaking through most of it, not knowing which way things were going to go.

-Really wanted Kylo to join Rey, knew he wouldn’t as there would be no bad guy left for the next movie.

-Will be interested to see the time gap between now and the start of IX, I get the feeling it could be a good 5 years before we catch up with them, time to rebuild the rebels and maybe train a few Jedi up.

Solid 8.5/10 can’t wait to rewatch it.
 

vvvrulz

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Spoiler review:

This is probably the most action filled of the entire series, the movie just roars along with chases and character clashes while balancing several threads nicely. It borrows lightly from what little plot ROTJ had, but there's enough fresh stuff in there to make it work.

It did require more quiet time in parts, e.g. they could have sacrificed the heavy action in the Casino sequence to give us some more character building. They missed a huge trick by not sending Poe along with Finn to build off their chemistry.

TFA made the great move of creating little moments shrouded with mystery such as Snoke, how Luke's saber got to Rey, The Jedi Temple, who are the Knights of Ren. Unfortunately not only do these tie up into a neat bow, they don't bother raising anything new.

Rey's parents in particular, it was a nice twist to write them as nobodies but now we've really created another Anakin Skywalker. There's nothing to look forward to.

Characters are a mixed bag. Rey is nicely done as she seeks answers about herself and from Luke. Mark Hamill apparently disagreed with the directors intentions with Luke but did his best to run with it. In my opinion it worked a treat to see a broken old man who lost his apprentice. Kylo Ren's character develops as the continuously tortured soul, but the movie makes the mistake of tossing his helmet out early which symbolized his duality.

Poe is fantastic fun to watch and gets ample screen time now, but man they drop the ball with Finn who was supposed to be the human element of it. Rose was a useless character when they could have gone with a lightly comedic Poe-Finn buddy routine.

The rest of the villains are very poorly handled; Snoke's intrigue is ruined as he's no more than a second Emperor after all, while Hux is a second Moff Tarkin and Captain Phasma is just nobody. Del Toro is introduced well but ultimately also brings nothing.

Luke goes down satisfyingly, using the force to project himself was something different and I liked it.

Visuals are amazing, some of the shots in particular the light speed jump into another ship are just extraordinary. The light saber duels are used sparingly (which is good) but never felt epic.

Yoda who was nicely thrown in, and that too a very deliberate nod to the original trilogy rather than the piece of crap prequel version.

Overall this was one of the more enjoyable and satisfying of the franchise, it main drawback being it had less depth and they’ll have to come up with something new next time around with all three of Luke, Leia and Han gone.
 

Timbo

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Just saw it.

I thought there was plenty to enjoy, but on the whole I just didn't really like it.

I don't know if it's because it was bad, or if I'm just older now and these movies aren't aimed at me anymore. I'll still go and see them, but I just don't know.

I'm not going to go back through all nineteen pages here, but my biggest nitpick remains - who are the first order and how did one surprise attack destroy the entire republic and reduce its military to fifty people on one old cruiser? I'm sure somewhere in the expanded universe there is an attempt at an explanation, but I'm older and more cynical now and the only reason I can get behind is that Disney needed it to be a ragtag group against the entire universe again.
 

axl rose

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slowed the pace of the movie, was the Canto Bite sequence, I liked seeing the place but maybe wasn’t needed.

This was one of my favourite parts of the film. Most disagree, It's getting the most hate from the 40-year-old Star Wars virgins online. That and Rose's character.

This movie was Star Wars for the Avengers generation.
Very true. Very hard to capture the older generation though. As Mark Hamill said in an interview they go to it expecting to recapture their childhood somehow.
 
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Danish

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Saw it today.

I thought the opening battle was a bit stupid. On what basis would a bombing ship have to position itself directly over a target and “drop” bombs in space? I am fine with the ships being slow and what have you, physics still exists after all so if you are a very heavy object in space it’s going to take a lot of thrust to change your inertia, just don’t get why they wouldn’t be lobbing those things from all directions.

I also didn’t like Leia force guiding herself back to the ship. Technically even a normal human can survive in space as long as she did (which none of the characters in Star Wars are), but still seemed very dumb for these movies and something I’d expect in shitty Marvel stuff.

I also thought she had to die by the end. Not going to like whatever they do to handle her absence in XI.

Oh and f**k “evil BB8”. Droids are everywhere in the Star Wars universe so by all means have them be discovered by a droid, but should have a been a unique design. Very obviously done just to cut down on toy manufacturing costs.

Other than that though, I thought it was great. No other fictional universe is done as well as Star Wars. Every species speaks their own language, for starters. The casino planet was awesome, with all the table games their own invention (and I was very happy they were racing alien horse type deals and no goddamned pods).

So much of the criticism seems to just be aimed at the same old crap from Force Awakens. Rey is a Mary Sue, too “Disney”, too much pandering to global audience (apparently no asians are allowed to be cast as good guys in movies without nerds crying foul). All boring complaints by far nerds who forget they are watching a kids movie based on a kids movie
 
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Zoidberg

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who are the first order and how did one surprise attack destroy the entire republic and reduce its military to fifty people on one old cruiser? I'm sure somewhere in the expanded universe there is an attempt at an explanation, but I'm older and more cynical now and the only reason I can get behind is that Disney needed it to be a ragtag group against the entire universe again.

My take is that this was the main organised section of the resistance, as mentioned in the movie they probably have pockets of supporters throughout the galaxy.
I get the feeling epIX will be set about 5 years later and will have a new rebel army and fleet gathered along with some newly trained Jedi by Rey. Could be way off but surely they want an epic battle to end this trilogy, not just the 50 odd grunts against the first order.,
 
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