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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

hineyrulz

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Says the prequels fan ... Irony.
You must of missed the bit where I said they had their problems with dreadful dialogue and some poor acting..........


That’s the difference I can see fault where the TLJ Lemmings can’t see fault in anything of Ruin Johnson’s dumpster fire.

And lol @ your reply to Bilrduct, straight out of the Shill handbook.
 

Timbo

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The most damning thing I’ve read is that not only does it not clear up any of the other random shit that happens in TLJ, but actively makes it worse by not really continuing on from it.

I can’t believe I’m saying this - might just wait and stream this one.

Cheers for killing my interest in Star Wars Disney!
 

Matua

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You must of missed the bit where I said they had their problems with dreadful dialogue and some poor acting..........


That’s the difference I can see fault where the TLJ Lemmings can’t see fault in anything of Ruin Johnson’s dumpster fire.

And lol @ your reply to Bilrduct, straight out of the Shill handbook.
Who has said that? There's a bunch of issues with it, and I'd rate it bottom of the originals and all new ones - but it's still easily better than any of the prequels.

The shrill handbook? Can you translate that into not Youtube/4chan normal speak please?
 

hineyrulz

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Who has said that? There's a bunch of issues with it, and I'd rate it bottom of the originals and all new ones - but it's still easily better than any of the prequels.

The shrill handbook? Can you translate that into not Youtube/4chan normal speak please?
DeE’s WoRdS ToO bIg FoR yOu?????

you’ve been on here defending the trash fire that was TLJ for ages lol.


Revenge of the Sith>>>>>>>>>>>>> The last Jizzmop
 

myrrh ken

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I just hope there's more novelty creatures. We've had taun-tauns, ewoks, porgs, the big lizard thing that obi won rode, salacious crumb, jar jar, watto.
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myrrh ken

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Rey is a bit boring and I don't care for her. Her character is not really developed at all. But she follows in the footsteps of all the other star wars protagonists. Luke was whiny boring and pretty unlikable in the original series until RoTJ. And of course anakin was too in the prequels.

Not much for the actors to work with to be fair - although hammy performance from HC was by the worst.
 

Matua

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DeE’s WoRdS ToO bIg FoR yOu?????

you’ve been on here defending the trash fire that was TLJ for ages lol.


Revenge of the Sith>>>>>>>>>>>>> The last Jizzmop
Oh, I didn't realise I was in a discussion with a 12 year old. I'll be a bit nicer now.
 

KeepingTheFaith

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Rey is a bit boring and I don't care for her. Her character is not really developed at all. But she follows in the footsteps of all the other star wars protagonists. Luke was whiny boring and pretty unlikable in the original series until RoTJ. And of course anakin was too in the prequels.

Not much for the actors to work with to be fair - although hammy performance from HC was by the worst.

Disagree Luke was unlikable, whiny and naive yes, but not unlikable.

The funny thing is the whiny and naive part is the one thing Rey is missing as a character - flaws. Luke's flaws are the things that make him relatable, and somewhat human compared to cardboard cutout Rey. Certainly not a masterpiece of character, but his journey step by step is not comparable to Rey's which is largely glossed over (much like story is in all three sequel movies)
 

Generalzod

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Just got my son review of the film basically said that Abrams made the film for Nostalgia purposes, bring balance to the force crap lol...
 

Springs09

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You can criticise whoever you like...

just don’t start crying if I start ripping apart a stupid ‘Mary Sue’ argument.

I don’t give a f**k if the character is male or female... only internet dorks like you seem to care...

Bullshit you do, you're the one who brought sex into it.

The reason Rey is called a Mary Sue by so many is not just because she's hyper-competent at everything though that's certainly part of it, it's also because she comes from an outside writer who's self-inserted his own character into an existing franchise and made her the most loved, most heroic and most powerful character of that franchise. The term originated in fanfiction where authors would insert themselves into their favourite book or movie world and make them the centre of that world. And these Star Wars movies are nought more than fanfiction. Rey fits the term to a T. She's a fanfiction character, she's the main character of a franchise she hasn't been seen in before, she's a hyper-competent fighter with the reason being she grew up on the streets and had to defend herself or some rubbish - while it makes sense she'd know self-defence it doesn't mean she's suddenly on the level of trained soldiers, she's an ace pilot and able to fly the Falcon immediately, she can fix the Falcon quicker than Han Solo, the owner, she gets fan favourite Chewbacca as a partner because reasons, she's hyper-competent in the force despite no training, she can beat trained-from-birth prodigy Ben Solo in a lightsaber duel just because, she can defeat supposed Jedi Master Luke Skywalker hand-to-hand, she's liked or loved by every damn character it seems, including 2 of the other major male characters in Ben and Finn, and on top of all this there is no real reason why she can do all of this other than 'because she can'.

I saw a good example the other day, in which they pointed out that Luke is strong with a lightsaber, Leia is a good leader, Han is an ace pilot and C3PO has the knowledge, all with reasons why they are like that - and Rey has all of them combined. On the other hand you've got characters who add next to nothing - Poe is a good pilot and Finn is well nothing really other than a good friend.

Your other examples - Batman is not a Mary Sue, there's 80 years of Batman flaws and character arcs to go through to prove that. His hyper-competency also has a reason - he spent his whole life after his parents death, including 20 years before he even became Batman, training in many different arts all over the world. John Wick - kinda but he is only hyper-competent at killing, nothing else really. The only Mary Sue-ish bit is how he is a master assassin because he is, but the point of the movies are the action set-pieces and gun choreography, not the stories.

Other good examples of a Mary Sue is Bella Swan from Twilight, Eragon, Angela Abar from HBO's Watchmen or like Bile said, Wesley Crusher from Star Trek.
 

Timbo

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Michael Burnham from Star Trek Discovery rivals Wesley Crusher as the biggest Mary Sue from that franchise.

I know you don't like Burnham, but c'mon, Wesley is worse for sure.

At least Burnham is a command-rank officer who has been to the academy and served on starships. Wesley is a f**king high-school student who in a matter of seconds comes up with solutions to problems that the alleged greatest minds in the Federation are stumped by.
 

bileduct

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I know you don't like Burnham, but c'mon, Wesley is worse for sure.

At least Burnham is a command-rank officer who has been to the academy and served on starships. Wesley is a f**king high-school student who in a matter of seconds comes up with solutions to problems that the alleged greatest minds in the Federation are stumped by.
Wesley got slapped into submission by his mum.

Michael Burnham would have kung fu'd Beverley out of the nearest airlock.
 

bileduct

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Bahahaha, you're so full of crap, Captain Marvel was never marketed as must see viewing for Endgame.
Yeah ok dude, it was just a mere coincidence that after several delays it was dropped two months prior to Endgame in which she was already hyped as playing an important role before either film came out...
 
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Valheru

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On the prequals debate, I get they have their issue but they are the best trilogy for me pretty comfortably.

The prequals may have some poor acting but it pales in comparison to the originals which has truly horrendous acting. I get they were cutting edge for their time but I was born well after the originals were made and can't see how any modern viewer could enjoy them for any reason other than nostalgia.

The latest trilogy? The less said about that the better.
 

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