Sunday Footy Show

[nqcowboy87]

So many people are missing the point. The point, a very good one, is that these players came to the club that is the Melbourne Storm not as representative players or millionares or whatever. The primary reason Smith, Inglis, Slater, Cronk, Johnson and co. are the players they are today is because of the brilliant development work and coaching at the Storm. They did not turn into great players because of the administration (which are the guilty ones).

The point Gould makes is that why should these players be broken up, after they were so successful playing together and playing under the coaching staff, because the competition has to be 'even'. If the whole Storm team were at say Souths 5 years ago they would not have become as great as they have become. It was the Storms development that made them, why should the players and the coach have to pay for being successful? The cap was implemented to stop the richest clubs simply buying all the top talent, not to penalise clubs for developing their own players, which it is doing now. The EPL does not have a cap, the top clubs just buy all the best players. Manchester United is not full of home-developed players like Melbourne is, they just buy all the talent. If players are developed at a club and turned into brilliant rep players, the club should be allowed to keep them. At the moment lower clubs are being rewarded for poor development systems, snatching away well developed players from the good systems when they do not deserve them.

while i agree there should be some concession , but the storm essentially bought players that where supperstars, they just paid them so they could stay, once they where superstars. they cant keep everybody. sure they can keep somebody like inglis and smith or they can choose to keep cronk and slater

lote tuqiri-brisbane
darius boyd-broncos
colin best-sharks
dave taylor-broncos
ryan cross-roosters
nathan cayless-eels
todd payten-canberra
brett kimmorley-knights
andrew ryan-eels
luke patten-dragons
brett morris-dragons
michael ennis-knights
petero civinoceva-broncos
josh perry-knights
ben cross-raiders
adam macdougal-roosters
scott prince-cowboys
luke bailey-dragons
johnathan thurston
shannon gallant-tigers

just some players who have been forced out of the clubs that helped develop them due to the salary cap

 

[Iafeta]

while i agree there should be some concession , but the storm essentially bought players that where supperstars, they just paid them so they could stay, once they where superstars. they cant keep everybody. sure they can keep somebody like inglis and smith or they can choose to keep cronk and slater

lote tuqiri-brisbane
darius boyd-broncos
colin best-sharks
dave taylor-broncos
ryan cross-roosters
nathan cayless-eels
todd payten-canberra
brett kimmorley-knights
andrew ryan-eels
luke patten-dragons
brett morris-dragons
michael ennis-knights
petero civinoceva-broncos
josh perry-knights
ben cross-raiders
adam macdougal-roosters
scott prince-cowboys
luke bailey-dragons
johnathan thurston
shannon gallant-tigers

just some players who have been forced out of the clubs that helped develop them due to the salary cap

As someone who is close to the Gallant family, I can assure you that that is complete and utter nonsense. Shannon wasn't forced out by the salary cap. Indeed, he had a contract for 2010 with the Tigers. What happened was Matt Bowen got injured, and he saw an opportunity to play fullback in first grade. His agent asked for a release from his contract and he moved north. Had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the salary cap. It was all to do with lack of opportunity at the Tigers versus an apparent opportunity at the Cowboys.

Also, not sure if you are aware, but Brett Morris is still a Dragon. Cayless is also leaving due to his own retirement to take up a business opportunity outside of football.

 

[Gaba]

I though Gallop handled it ok from what I saw. He certainly threw Goulds rubbish idea of have them offload players to get under the cap out. That all involves breaking of contracts, not to mention that with every other team spending at the cap how are these offloaded players supposed to get signed?

I usually have a pretty poor opinion of Gallop but he's handled this situation well. Its just unfortunate that the club that cheated the game so badly is one of our most important geographically, but you cant start making exceptions. This is also near identical to what happened to the Bullsogs, the big difference is the time of year in which the news broke. if this had happened in say August Melbourne would've been stripped of their points and no one would complain, and thats more or less what they have ensured here.
Dont blame the NRL fo ryour clubs position Storm/rugby league fans, the blame lies squarely at the feet of a few selfish f**kers who were in charge of your clubl.

Agree 100% thought Gallop did handle it good, and didnt back down

 

[nqcowboy87]

As someone who is close to the Gallant family, I can assure you that that is complete and utter nonsense. Shannon wasn't forced out by the salary cap. Indeed, he had a contract for 2010 with the Tigers. What happened was Matt Bowen got injured, and he saw an opportunity to play fullback in first grade. His agent asked for a release from his contract and he moved north. Had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the salary cap. It was all to do with lack of opportunity at the Tigers versus an apparent opportunity at the Cowboys.

Also, not sure if you are aware, but Brett Morris is still a Dragon. Cayless is also leaving due to his own retirement to take up a business opportunity outside of football.

i always get the morriss boys confused, and i also meant jason cayless

 

[nqcowboy87]

double post

 

[Iafeta]

Jason IMO became a far better player at the Roosters. He became a test prop there. He was always fighting with Nathan and Michael Vella for good playing time at the Eels, and had guys like Aaron Cannings coming through at the time also. He would have seen it as a chance to play more football, and he was right and his career blossomed from it.

 

[nqcowboy87]

well maybe then i should have put roosters, the point is he developed at a club and had to leave because of the cap

 

[butchmcdick]

Correct me if I am wrong here but doesn't Gould have a history of sh*tcanning the storm ? Now all of a sudden they are the brave boys who dared to play league in Melbourne and just because they systematically rort the cap they get repaid like this ? Since when did Gould give a sh*t about the storm ? I think he took that position because he can use it as a club to try to beat Gallop with yet again.

Gould reminded me today of that guy at work who constantly whinges about what the boss should do to improve the company yet never actually steps up to the plate and gives it a go himself. If he is so passionate about things then man up, strap on pair and try to get involved in running the game instead of always whinging about the decisions that are made. It is easy to have all the answers when you don't have to take any responsibility for the results of your actions.

For him say that Gallop's response was crap on national tv shows such a lack of respect. It really isn't a good look for the a representative of the host broadcaster to call the CEO of the NRL's views crap. He and the fatty bagged Gallop for not going on Thursdays show and treat him like a redheaded step child when he does.

Gallop mentioned that the NRL's auditors, New's auditors and the external auditors didn't pick it up yet gould called the NRL negligant and when talking about the Finch deal implied that he knew the Storm were cheating. If he knew then why didn't he speak up ? Could it be that he had no proof (much like the NRL and the auditors) ?

(I posted this in another thread but thought it probably should have been posted here instead)

 

[Schiltzenberger]

while i agree there should be some concession , but the storm essentially bought players that where supperstars, they just paid them so they could stay, once they where superstars. they cant keep everybody. sure they can keep somebody like inglis and smith or they can choose to keep cronk and slater

lote tuqiri-brisbane
darius boyd-broncos
colin best-sharks
dave taylor-broncos
ryan cross-roosters
nathan cayless-eels
todd payten-canberra
brett kimmorley-knights
andrew ryan-eels
luke patten-dragons
brett morris-dragons
michael ennis-knights
petero civinoceva-broncos
josh perry-knights
ben cross-raiders
adam macdougal-roosters
scott prince-cowboys
luke bailey-dragons
johnathan thurston
shannon gallant-tigers

just some players who have been forced out of the clubs that helped develop them due to the salary cap

Ironically he went to the Bulldogs when they were building their cheating team.
I think Prince left the Cowboys because they were hopeless back then and the lure of the Broncos and winning a GF was too much. Again though just like A.Ryan it looks like he may have left the Tigers for a team that has been pushing it's luck with the cap.

I haven't seen the show today as I'm in an NRL blackhole here in Perth, but I have read Gould's comments and saw him on the Thursday show.
The thing he has been banging on about that has annoyed me is that he keeps on mentioning all teams being like the Sharks under the cap, what a load of crap. He says that they need to cheat to put together a team like the Storm, in their current form yes he's right but they would still be a pretty bloody good team if you took $700k out of them. They probably wouldn't make 4 GFs in a row but they'd be a good chance at making a couple of GFs and winning 1 or both of them in recent years, and still be in contention for the next few years.

I do agree with him about getting the Storm to pick a team of players under the cap to play the rest of the year though, so they can play for points. Those players values would be taken directly from the dodgy over the cap book. So they'd lose pretty much either 1 player like a Slater, Inglis or Smith, or 4-5 role players. Stick them on minus points, I'd have their penalty set so that they'd have to win every game to scrape into 8th.

 

[Quidgybo]

Even a guy like Fitzgibbon became a Roosters legend, but we all know he was signed from St George Illawarra.

He should have been rewarded once he was at the Roosters for at least 8 years and not forced overseas.

It doesn't matter how big a club's junior base is.

It's hard to give concessions based on juniors because some clubs such as those starting from scratch in frontier territories are at a natural disadvantage. That said, every club is on an equal footing in terms of having an NYC team and so there should be a concession for developing a player who has played a substantial number of games for your NYC team (say more than 20) into your senior team. There still needs to be a Hard Cap on expenditure to ensure clubs can't spend more than the game can afford but beneath that there can be a Soft Cap that can only be exceeded using concessions for players developed from your own NYC team or who have served a club for more than five years. The cap doesn't just have to be a straight addition of contracts up to a single limit, it can be tiered any number of ways beneath an absolute spending limit such that it encourages junior development and loyalty to aging stars. The failure of the NRL to even entertain discussion of these options is the biggest problem.

Leigh.

 

[roboshark]

I wish gould would jusk disappear permanently....he is a low life piece of sh*t

 

[cupid]

What would Gould rather watch? A team like Melbourne winning the premiership for the next ten years or a tightly competitive competition?

 

[mickdo]

What would Gould rather watch? A team like Melbourne winning the premiership for the next ten years or a tightly competitive competition?

The opposite to whatever the NRL wants

 

[gronkathon]

What would Gould rather watch? A team like Melbourne winning the premiership for the next ten years or a tightly competitive competition?

To sit back and talk about News ruining the game

 

[squiddy]

WOW! Gould really getting stuck into Gallop about the penalties on the Storm.

Gould is a deadset d@ck for the way he carried on today , couldnt even look at Gallop when he talking = totally out of line - no respect

 

[JOHNNYMAFIA]

I congratulate the Storm fans who attended the match today to see their team of champion players play a great game of rugby league.
I too admire Gus for his commitment to our game and his intelligent & articulate comments on any issue involving RL. However, I do feel that he did over Gallop unjustifiably today on the SFS. There are a lot of people who want to see RL fold and die- look at the media frenzy over this issue. Our sport is seen as too overtly "blokey" - an anathema to the "femo-nazis" of the chattering class. Notice how they never criticise the girly sports of AFL & soccer?

 

[cornerposter]

Would like to see a couple of marquee players exempt from the cap per club, but where does this cash come from and can every club come up with it?

If they can't come up with the cash, then they can't compete. Don't bring everything back to the lowest common denominator.

Cameron Smith was an average teenage half-back with the Norths Devils. He became one of the best hookers of all-time through Storm development system which of course included Norths as the feeder club.

+1

But what I can comment on is the fact that I think you are all missing the point. This isn't about simply being over the salary cap, it's about the structures and procedures that were put in place to hide the fact they were deliberatly breaking the salary cap.

Your missing the point champ. Melbourne diddled the books in an attempt to keep the talent they created. Against the rules - Yep; Must be punished - Yep; Will it happen again - likely, because it's critical to success for home grown talent to remain at the club.
From a fans perspective, passion is driven by the feeling of ownership in the team. Ownership is eroded when the playing roster resembles a turnstile.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

What would Gould rather watch? A team like Melbourne winning the premiership for the next ten years or a tightly competitive competition?

I dont think what Gus is suggesting would have that at all.

I think what Gus wants is for clubs to be able to keep their juniors and inturn keep the high quality of football.

Imaging if The Broncos, the Storm, the Bulldogs, etc etc, imagine if they were never torn apart?

I know that when one player leaves, another one takes thier place, but they arent always replaced by someone of equal quality. Craig Gower, Mark Gasnier, SBW, etc etc, none have been replaced with players of similar quality.

What Gus I believe is suggesting would definatly have a few clubs stay at the top for a while, but there would be a good 5-6 teams playing at the quality of Melbourne of 07, Manly of 08, Bulldogs of 04, etc etc.

Im not certain that would necessarily be a bad thing for the game, but I do know that the current salary cap system has saved the game in alot of ways, but it is also thinning out the talent. The NYC also isnt really helping that.

 

[babyg]

Gus and Johns were talking about the unessesary impact on the team and fans. Fans follow a player develop through the ranks only to see them forced out, players form a team over time only to see mates forced to leave. They are arguing that there should be exceptions to the rules to ensure more stability in teams.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

Gus and Johns were talking about the unessesary impact on the team and fans. Fans follow a player develop through the ranks only to see them forced out, players form a team over time only to see mates forced to leave. They are arguing that there should be exceptions to the rules to ensure more stability in teams.

Exactly, this sort of thing should be encouraged. I for one am going to hate seeing Kris Inu in another clubs colours, just like im sure the Knights would love to have kept Tahu over the years.