Superthread L. No honour.

[Red Bear]

Souths are a protected species these days. Lots of piggy backs in their game against us a few weeks back. They offered nothing on their own, so needed a leg up.

Rubbish, they're just a very good side playing a well structured brand of football with good depth in several areas.

They've built a side very well.

 

[Drew-Sta]

Tbh I think any premierships your club won before you were born are inconsequential.

I don't give a shit how good my team was when my grandad was a boy, what have you done for me lately.

Gen Y mentality right there

 

[Drew-Sta]

Rubbish, they're just a very good side playing a well structured brand of football with good depth in several areas.

They've built a side very well.

I have to pinch myself to remind me that you aren't taking the piss when talking about Souths like that.

 

[Didgi]

Tbh I think any premierships your club won before you were born are inconsequential.

I don't give a shit how good my team was when my grandad was a boy, what have you done for me lately.

There's a certain attraction to supporting a team with a proud history though.

Unless you're LOL@Souffs, nothing proud about that. I'm not talking ancient history.

 

[Dragon2010]

Did some IT work for my cousin. Got payed in cash and home-made sweets/cakes. F*ck I'm gonna put on 3kg this week.

 

[Drew-Sta]

There's a certain attraction to supporting a team with a proud history though.

Unless you're LOL@Souffs, nothing proud about that. I'm not talking ancient history.

... hence the reason Saints fans go red in the face when you try to take away their heritage.

Did some IT work for my cousin. Got payed in cash and home-made sweets/cakes. F*ck I'm gonna put on 3kg this week.

Share some bud!

 

[Bazal]

Old news now but I can't understand sacking Arthur....selections and injuries are our issue, and CA itself is Parramatta-esque in it's administration ability

 

[dogslife]

A rich history is great. But don't get on your high horse about your 5 billion premierships when you weren't around for any of them.

 

[Drew-Sta]

Old news now but I can't understand sacking Arthur....selections and injuries are our issue, and CA itself is Parramatta-esque in it's administration ability

Australia has gotten arrogant in cricket. Bout time we got brought down to reality.

A rich history is great. But don't get on your high horse about your 5 billion premierships when you weren't around for any of them.

How many Dogs premierships have you seen? 2?

 

[Bazal]

Australia has gotten arrogant in cricket. Bout time we got brought down to reality.

I don't think we've been arrogant since Ponting tbh....Even then, it was more the captain than the side towards the end. We were arrogant when we were good enough but a lot of that attitude went with Hayden, Langer, McGrath, Warne, Gilly and such. Despite what the Kiwis and Indians say (and lol at the Indians calling anyone else arrogant).

For me, the coach is a scapegoat for an awful selection panel and an amateur and failing administration. And I can't see a rookie coach in Lehmann doing any better

 

[dogslife]

How many Dogs premierships have you seen? 2?

Correct, great years.

And that's more than a lot of Dragons or Lol@Souffs fans have ever seen combined, which is why I find it funny they're so high on all those premierships back in the black and white era. I think that's why the 2010 premiership was so huge for the Dragons, it was the first premiership a lot of their fans had ever seen

 

[Drew-Sta]

I don't think we've been arrogant since Ponting tbh....Even then, it was more the captain than the side towards the end. We were arrogant when we were good enough but a lot of that attitude went with Hayden, Langer, McGrath, Warne, Gilly and such. Despite what the Kiwis and Indians say (and lol at the Indians calling anyone else arrogant).

For me, the coach is a scapegoat for an awful selection panel and an amateur and failing administration. And I can't see a rookie coach in Lehmann doing any better

I'm suggesting arrogance in our approach to cricket infrastructure. We seem to believe that the future Langer's, Hayden's, Warne's, McGraths etc will just 'appear' without paying any attention to the detail of how they come about.

CA wants the $$, so its willing to allow 20/20 to become a feature of the sport. 20/20, however, is about as complicated as park cricket and with all the skill of a baseball batter with a good eye.

The consequential drain to the IPL and the weakening of the Sheffield Shield has resulted in a destabilization of the infrastructure CA put in place in the 80's to correct the awful form we were in under Kim Hughes etc. The fact we've taken that for granted because the system garnered results, without maintaining it and ensuring it is tweaked and modified is where our arrogance as come in.

We simply believe we've got the cattle to win, without ensuring its actually there. Sure, our selections aren't great and that's always an issue, but in general we've cut too close to the tree.

 

[Different kind of Rabbit]

I don't think we've been arrogant since Ponting tbh....Even then, it was more the captain than the side towards the end. We were arrogant when we were good enough but a lot of that attitude went with Hayden, Langer, McGrath, Warne, Gilly and such. Despite what the Kiwis and Indians say (and lol at the Indians calling anyone else arrogant).

For me, the coach is a scapegoat for an awful selection panel and an amateur and failing administration. And I can't see a rookie coach in Lehmann doing any better

I agree.

Arthur should be just the start imo. Sullivan and Inverarity need to go as well otherwise it's an exercise in futility.

 

[whall15]

I've seen zero Parra premierships

 

[Drew-Sta]

Correct, great years.

And that's more than a lot of Dragons or Lol@Souffs fans have ever seen combined, which is why I find it funny they're so high on all those premierships back in the black and white era. I think that's why the 2010 premiership was so huge for the Dragons, it was the first premiership a lot of their fans had ever seen

More complicated than that. Between 92, 93, 96, 99, 2004-06 we should have shagged one. The fact we didn't is more the issue and why 2010 was so big a deal. Canterbury have been in what, 3 GF's since their last win in the 80's? Saints have been 4 and had three years where they should have nailed one under Brown.

Also, Saints 'holding to the heritage' is closer to Carlton's 'We are the history club'. The combination of the Red V, the 11, the names of Gasnier, Langlands, Raper, Provan etc - the identity of the club is wound up in the history itself. Its a big load to carry but one fans do with pride because when you pull on a jersey, they feel connected with the past due to the way the jersey has been maintained throughout the years.

Its why when they wear the 'red rag' they get upset.

 

[Different kind of Rabbit]

Correct, great years.

And that's more than a lot of Dragons or Lol@Souffs fans have ever seen combined, which is why I find it funny they're so high on all those premierships back in the black and white era. I think that's why the 2010 premiership was so huge for the Dragons, it was the first premiership a lot of their fans had ever seen

I'll be the first to say that the best I've seen is Souths winning the minor premiership.

However, you can't just cut off history and say that the last 10 - 20 - 30 years is all that counts.

Sure it would be nice to have a premiership in my actual memory bank, but it's also great to have such a rich back story. If we can win one in my life time, it will be made all the more sweeter by the shit that has gone before it and I'm sure the Dragons fans will back that up after 2010.

We have 20 premierships and sure, for some of them, we just needed to turn up on the day. Others were based on finishing first and not even having to play a grand final, but at the end of the day, the prize was there for any of the other teams of the day to win as well and we did it. Still an amazing feat. So too was the Dragons winning so many in a row back in the day. As is the Broncos winning so many in such a short space of time. It all adds to the enormity of what happens each year.

 

[Drew-Sta]

I'll be the first to say that the best I've seen is Souths winning the minor premiership.

However, you can't just cut off history and say that the last 10 - 20 - 30 years is all that counts.

Sure it would be nice to have a premiership in my actual memory bank, but it's also great to have such a rich back story. If we can win one in my life time, it will be made all the more sweeter by the shit that has gone before it and I'm sure the Dragons fans will back that up after 2010.

We have 20 premierships and sure, for some of them, we just needed to turn up on the day. Others were based on finishing first and not even having to play a grand final, but at the end of the day, the prize was there for any of the other teams of the day to win as well and we did it. Still an amazing feat. So too was the Dragons winning so many in a row back in the day. As is the Broncos winning so many in such a short space of time. It all adds to the enormity of what happens each year.

Exactly.

The tapestry of history has no point at which you can cut it and leave the design intelligible. - Dorothea Dix.

 

[Bazal]

I'm suggesting arrogance in our approach to cricket infrastructure. We seem to believe that the future Langer's, Hayden's, Warne's, McGraths etc will just 'appear' without paying any attention to the detail of how they come about.

CA wants the $$, so its willing to allow 20/20 to become a feature of the sport. 20/20, however, is about as complicated as park cricket and with all the skill of a baseball batter with a good eye.

The consequential drain to the IPL and the weakening of the Sheffield Shield has resulted in a destabilization of the infrastructure CA put in place in the 80's to correct the awful form we were in under Kim Hughes etc. The fact we've taken that for granted because the system garnered results, without maintaining it and ensuring it is tweaked and modified is where our arrogance as come in.

We simply believe we've got the cattle to win, without ensuring its actually there. Sure, our selections aren't great and that's always an issue, but in general we've cut too close to the tree.

Fair enough. To me thats complacency rather than arrogance, and I agree. CA have been useless for a long time. The development pathways for young cricketers aren't what they used to be and the selection policy is geared against youngsters IMO. I've always admired Englands approach to players like Cook and Swann, and more recently guys like Joe Root. They all started pretty slow and inconsistently but got (or are getting) extended runs at the top level and blossomed because of that. Compare that to our treatment of guys like Hughes and Khawaja and the like. How are they supposed to learn to play Test cricket in the Sheffield Shield? You don't get better unless you're tested, and that's something I think our selectors need to realise. And why do we insist on picking has beens over the future? How is a guy like Nic Maddinson going to reach Test level if we pick Chris Rogers instead? Where we used to take guys like him on tour, to train around the world with the top players, we now seem to expect failure and want some form of safety net in older players. Hell we didn't even have A tours for a while there. No surprise England have gone up and we've crashed out.

 

[Rhino_NQ]

i'll see a premiership in the next 40 years or so

 

[Drew-Sta]

Fair enough. To me thats complacency rather than arrogance, and I agree. CA have been useless for a long time. The development pathways for young cricketers aren't what they used to be and the selection policy is geared against youngsters IMO. I've always admired Englands approach to players like Cook and Swann, and more recently guys like Joe Root. They all started pretty slow and inconsistently but got (or are getting) extended runs at the top level and blossomed because of that. Compare that to our treatment of guys like Hughes and Khawaja and the like. How are they supposed to learn to play Test cricket in the Sheffield Shield? You don't get better unless you're tested, and that's something I think our selectors need to realise. And why do we insist on picking has beens over the future? How is a guy like Nic Maddinson going to reach Test level if we pick Chris Rogers instead? Where we used to take guys like him on tour, to train around the world with the top players, we now seem to expect failure and want some form of safety net in older players. Hell we didn't even have A tours for a while there. No surprise England have gone up and we've crashed out.

Sponsorship dollars are more important than the game. Ergo, pick has beens who might win because they have a great name, rather than kids who are more likely to win but sponsors don't like because their product isn't being represented by Simon Katich or Ricky Ponting.

Money ruins things. All the time. The problem is we're addicted to it.

i'll see a premiership in the next 40 years or so

... maybe. :sarcasm: