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What type wouldn't be eco friendly?
I only eat noodles cooked via solar energy.
What type wouldn't be eco friendly?
Pretty much. It's all rather pointless. Don't get me wrong, keep our scientists funded and plugging away at cheaper and cleaner fuels, but right now, in 2014, there is f**k all any of us can do about it. The world is far far too big for any of us to have a meaningful impact on it.
How many decades upon decades upon decades of factories and pollution have there been? And to produce something that will make less of an impact will need a larger pollution output than you would ever save using that product. Buy a Prius and feel good about the lower emissions, just as long as you ignore the sixteen specialty factories and cobalt strip mines that go into making it.
I really believe we can do nothing as countries. Tax a coal mine, and f**k all happens. Give money to people for solar panels, and f**k all happens. If a hundred plus years of mass fossil fuel burning got us here, it's gonna take us closer to a thousand to get back to pre industrial levels, if it ever happens at all. But to do that you need to radically change the way of life for billions of people across the world. It's too much, and too big. It's pointless.
It's just a wittier form of BMs assertion tbh
I'd point out that I snapped at Dani the other day for taking this approach to problems in her own life, but it seems like you're pretty set on the mindset.
It's sad, because we obviously can make meaningful change as both individuals and as countries.
We can't fix the massive problems that industrialisation has created, but it's foolish to say that we cannot improve things by making the effort to recycle, produce less waste, consume less fossil fuels etc.
EDIT: f**k all of the above. Are you arguing that we shouldn't make changes if only to slow the degradation? Continue on as we are, making things worse, because change is hard?
After the week I've had, when my national sales manager walked in, I freaked.
Turns out I got promoted. Got my own store back, the busiest store in the state for that brand. And I get to help out at head office with HR stuff as I do more of my course.
It IS pointless. The only thing that will make a lasting impact is to shut off all factories and take cars completely from the road. Right now, that's our only shot. We can definitely change, when actual change is feasible. It's just not right now. Nothing we do right now, with the technology of right now, with the lifestyle of right now, can do shit.
I think the only shot we have is to throw money at science and research, and hope they come up with something that let's us keep our lifestyle while reducing emissions. Because as much as i'd love to say we can change and believe that, i know we won't. Life is too good, no one in their right mind would drop the quality of it on an unknown. On a possibility.
Would you drain a pond with an eydropper or wait until someone shows up with a bucket?
Would you drain a pond with an eydropper or wait until someone shows up with a bucket?
Would you drain a pond with an eydropper or wait until someone shows up with a bucket?
You're attempting to condense multiple problems into one. Beyond that, a bunch of people using eye droppers (or their hands - countries) would be more effective than waiting until the pond is beyond salvaging and there's a bucket handy.
Just got a call from McGuigan Wines, came runner up in their Facebook promo. Free Dragons jersey and a couple of bottles of plonk, nice!
Only one problem i'm addressing and that is the emissions and how to drop them. All the rest of the "help the environment" stuff is nice, and i am for that, but it doesn't make a dent on climate change. Personal solar sounds good, but they take more fuel to create than they save, and they are ludicrously expensive. Rather than tax the shit out of everything and everyone, throw money at research to bring the cost of solar panels down. Make them cleaner to produce. Put more time and effort into changing public perception of nuclear power. Do something positive and productive rather than negative.
The crux of my argument is research is the way forward. If countries want to throw money at research, then good. That is the only way they will make a discernible difference. You can't do shit about it. I can't do shit about it. Any available option available to you right now ends up costing more than you are saving.
The whole mentality of personal responsibility is just a load of shit, especially on a problem of this magnitude and scale.
Only one problem i'm addressing and that is the emissions and how to drop them. All the rest of the "help the environment" stuff is nice, and i am for that, but it doesn't make a dent on climate change. Personal solar sounds good, but they take more fuel to create than they save, and they are ludicrously expensive. Rather than tax the shit out of everything and everyone, throw money at research to bring the cost of solar panels down. Make them cleaner to produce. Put more time and effort into changing public perception of nuclear power. Do something positive and productive rather than negative.
The crux of my argument is research is the way forward. If countries want to throw money at research, then good. That is the only way they will make a discernible difference. You can't do shit about it. I can't do shit about it. Any available option available to you right now ends up costing more than you are saving.
The whole mentality of personal responsibility is just a load of shit, especially on a problem of this magnitude and scale.
What, no screwdriver set?
We're clearly on different pages. I stopped talking specifically about climate change a while ago :lol: