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Sydney Crowds

Saint Doc

Coach
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The gap is closing.

Even Brisbane's averages are falling.

There's also now an obvious "super three" in Sydney - the Bulldogs Rabbitohs and Roosters.

There are a lot of annoying things about you timmah which have been well documented on these boards, but making ridiculous "BunniesMan" style comments like that isn't one of them. I'm astounded you'd say something so stupid.

Eels back to back wooden spoons
Dragons 14th worst season in like 50 odd years, held scoreless at home for the first ever time at jubilee, followed by 2nd time, blah blah
Tigers 15th, messy clean out of many stars, coach, "franchise player"

I'm not knocking roosters, Souths or dogs crowds because they have been outstanding.

But we know their normal crowds are still in the 13-17k range against out of town opposition. They have been boosted by big event crowds and success.

If in two years parra play saints for the minor premiership in round 26, I guarantee they get a 50k plus crowd. He'll they got 43k or so for a final round farewell Hindy/bird/Hornby/young match last year.

I also guarantee that if roosters and Souths are coming 15th and 16th, they will get 15-18k if they're lucky.

Crowds are cyclical. Next year the dragons will be boosted by getting to count ANZAC day in their average. Roosters will not have ANZAC, they won't have opening round vs Souths/SBW first game, they won't have SBW v bulldogs.

There is no doubt that Souths, bulldogs, dragons, tigers and parra are the big 5 "potentially" depending in performance.

Souths and dogs have done well to establish at ANZ. For tigers, dragons and eels, growing crowds will be determined on finding the right balance between suburban games and SFS/ANZ.

Roosters are in between, they have a smaller base, but playing in a big stadium means that when things go well, the can capitalise. Kudos to them for this year.

Penrith, sharks and manly don't seem to have much room for growth. Partly stadium size, partly local areas being locked in, partly engagement with community. Penrith would seem the most likely to have potential to escape that trend, but they seem a long way from realising it.
 

CC_Roosters

First Grade
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I'd like to see out of Sydney side home matches broken down into.

Matches vs Sydney Sides
Matches vs OOS sides

It'd make for some interesting reading. Might do it this weekend.

17,222 v sydney sides.

2 crowds over 50k in sydney is definitely progress. Just a pity that late season matchups involving the Tigers, Parra and Dragons drew poorly because of their form.

The only problem clubs that i can see are the Raiders and Penrith who seem to be stuck between 10-12k.

An important outcome from this season is the Tigers moving back to ANZ for 4 games a season. This is the template that has provided the most consistent high crowds due to gate sharing between Parra, Doggies and Souths. So adding a 4th big club to that mix will give us 12 games with anything between 25 and 50k that we can bank on.

I thought the doggies and Sharks would have pushed on with their crowds this year,only a marginal increase for the Sharks but the doggies dropped back below 20k which is a shame.
 

Evenflow

Bench
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So your conclusion given that Sydney crowds are higher than the average of Melbourne, Newcastle, Auckland, Canberra, Townsville and the Gold Coast is that Sydney needs more interest in RL? I suspect it would be more correct to say areas outside Sydney need more interest in RL.

Storm finished with a home average of 16,302 which is is our highest average in history by approx 1,600. Our previous best was ironically set in 2010.
 

t-ba

Post Whore
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17,222 v sydney sides.

2 crowds over 50k in sydney is definitely progress. Just a pity that late season matchups involving the Tigers, Parra and Dragons drew poorly because of their form.

The only problem clubs that i can see are the Raiders and Penrith who seem to be stuck between 10-12k.

An important outcome from this season is the Tigers moving back to ANZ for 4 games a season. This is the template that has provided the most consistent high crowds due to gate sharing between Parra, Doggies and Souths. So adding a 4th big club to that mix will give us 12 games with anything between 25 and 50k that we can bank on.

I thought the doggies and Sharks would have pushed on with their crowds this year,only a marginal increase for the Sharks but the doggies dropped back below 20k which is a shame.

I'm more interested in the comparison between what clubs like the Broncos and the Raiders draw against Sydney opposition compared to Out of Sydney opposition.
 

Von

Juniors
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Manly averaged 13000 this year despite having unparalled success for almost a decade, 2 premierships and another top 4 season.

It's not often I agree with BM, but I do here.

A Manly fan comparing a small Easts v Souths crowd in round 20 2009 when we got the spoon is cherry picking at its worst.

Fact is all clubs have an element of fair weather fans.

Gee look at Wests & Balmain.
 

The Eagle

Juniors
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It's not often I agree with BM, but I do here.

A Manly fan comparing a small Easts v Souths crowd in round 20 2009 when we got the spoon is cherry picking at its worst.

Fact is all clubs have an element of fair weather fans.

Gee look at Wests & Balmain.

Very convenient but unluckily for Manly,parents simply won't allow kids to go for Manly because of the hatred we endure,we evoke either love or hate and nothing between, f**k you Masters you piece of shit hack of a coach,if not for you we'd be thriving
 

Perth Red

Post Whore
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Very convenient but unluckily for Manly,parents simply won't allow kids to go for Manly because of the hatred we endure,we evoke either love or hate and nothing between, f**k you Masters you piece of shit hack of a coach,if not for you we'd be thriving

Brisbane have a good year and they are likely to get 40,000+ to big games. Have a bad year and oh look, their crowds are way down. All clubs have fair weather fans.

Of course when Manly have a good year they are lucky to get 13k to a Sydney semi final :lol:

Not really, Brisbane hasn't drawn 40k in twenty years. In fact ten years ago they were in the low 20's so have built up their avg regardless of results. This year is 3-4k down on their last few years averages.

Top 8 places are wasted on some teams, get parra and tigers in place of cronulla and manly ad you add a decent amount more fans to the total.

Big challenge for NRL to hit their 20k target anytime soon.
 

The Eagle

Juniors
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Not really, Brisbane hasn't drawn 40k in twenty years. In fact ten years ago they were in the low 20's so have built up their avg regardless of results. This year is 3-4k down on their last few years averages.

Top 8 places are wasted on some teams, get parra and tigers in place of cronulla and manly ad you add a decent amount more fans to the total.

Big challenge for NRL to hit their 20k target anytime soon.

Lol Yeah let's give the brain dead teams a run in the finals,I hope you get a relocated team
 
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you have a clear agenda to see Sydney teams eliminated so Perth can be admitted.

Which would be for the betterment of the game as a whole.

It's just a shame the city of Sydney can barely produce any good juniors anymore and need to steal them from other areas.
 

bobmar28

Bench
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So your conclusion given that Sydney crowds are higher than the average of Melbourne, Newcastle, Auckland, Canberra, Townsville and the Gold Coast is that Sydney needs more interest in RL? I suspect it would be more correct to say areas outside Sydney need more interest in RL.

Or bigger populations.
 

Springs

First Grade
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Not really, Brisbane hasn't drawn 40k in twenty years. In fact ten years ago they were in the low 20's so have built up their avg regardless of results. This year is 3-4k down on their last few years averages.

Top 8 places are wasted on some teams, get parra and tigers in place of cronulla and manly ad you add a decent amount more fans to the total.

Big challenge for NRL to hit their 20k target anytime soon.

:? They draw over 40,000 every year against the Cowboys. I wasn't talking about averages stupid. :roll:
 

Valheru

Coach
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Lets compare figures for Sydney v out of town teams ie compare oranges with oranges
Heartland, population, proximity of stadiums, away fan boosts etc etc, Sydney should be massively higher but isn't and I suspect if you look at home crowds only, without the benefit of away support which one city teams don’t have, would be equal or less.


What a load of garbage. Brisbane, GC and Melbourne have a lot of NSW expats who attend their team’s games. Canberra, Newcastle and Wollongong are all within driving distance of Sydney and get decent away support as well. The Cowboys and to a lesser extent the Warriors are the ones who barely get any away supporters turning up.
 

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