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Sydney Sharks

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I can’t believe the sharks are relocating to kogorah oval this year.

Why? They don't have much choice.

The hypothetical question is:
Would Cronulla moving to the new Allianz and rebranding as the Sydney Sharks (or similar) lead to their 20 year long 13k crowd avg increasing over the next 20 years?

The same question could be asked for Penrith to Bankwest and becoming the Western Sydney Panthers or Manly to Allianz to become the Northern Sea-Eagles.
 

myrrh ken

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Why? They don't have much choice.

The hypothetical question is:
Would Cronulla moving to the new Allianz and rebranding as the Sydney Sharks (or similar) lead to their 20 year long 13k crowd avg increasing over the next 20 years?

The same question could be asked for Penrith to Bankwest and becoming the Western Sydney Panthers or Manly to Allianz to become the Northern Sea-Eagles.

What is the obsession are crowds the be all and end all?
Why? They don't have much choice.

The hypothetical question is:
Would Cronulla moving to the new Allianz and rebranding as the Sydney Sharks (or similar) lead to their 20 year long 13k crowd avg increasing over the next 20 years?

The same question could be asked for Penrith to Bankwest and becoming the Western Sydney Panthers or Manly to Allianz to become the Northern Sea-Eagles.

Total rugby league attendances have ebbed and flowed for the last 20 years.

Last year attendance was 2.89mill
1999 attendance was 2.84mill

Your obsession with crowd numbers is laughable. Why dont you worry about your native esl that cant crack 5 figure avg crowds
 

T-Boon

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Crowds are important. It looks better on tv.
I don't think the Sharks should be forced to move but they should get some ambition and chose to move. That's the point of this thread.
 

taipan

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Crowds are important. It looks better on tv.
I don't think the Sharks should be forced to move but they should get some ambition and chose to move. That's the point of this thread.

Their "ambition "is doing what they are doing now ,building up an asset and revenue base to provide for a strong NRL club with better facilities for its fans, with its own ground, established history, strong junior league.
Moving away from your area ,when you are spending all this money to do just that is not ambition but lunacy.Thus the point of the thread is wafer thin.
Opposition codes would welcome their "ambition" to go elsewhere.
 

taipan

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I can’t believe the sharks are relocating to kogorah oval this year.

Where do you suggest they play ,away from their fans in say.Adelaide? Few like having to play away from their home ground but most would acknowledge they will be going back.It's the closest ground to the area, that is taking the local fans' travel into account.
 

Perth Red

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What is the obsession are crowds the be all and end all?


Total rugby league attendances have ebbed and flowed for the last 20 years.

Last year attendance was 2.89mill
1999 attendance was 2.84mill

Your obsession with crowd numbers is laughable. Why dont you worry about your native esl that cant crack 5 figure avg crowds

No obsession but it is an important metric of growth of customer base and future sustainability of clubs.
yes total has, which is why it is good to look for patterns at a club level to see if there is individual growth, stagnation or reduction.
 

taipan

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Who do you think would base a first grade team in Cronulla if Sharks were based at Allianz?

With the A league continuing to expand, and the Shire has a huge junior league.You fill in the blanks...........
Because as sure as hell,Allianz will attract few from the Shire under the current traffic infrastructure and congestion.
Sydney one more time ,is not Melbourne or Perth.
 

Perth Red

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Sounds like they have no need to if there is already a huge Junior base there or if they want to capatalise on it they would whether Sharks where there or not? In fact if Sharks moved out and redeveloped the stadium for more apartments there would be no suitable stadium and so they'd be scuppered and Sharks would have some more money in the bank to cover losses?
 

MugaB

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Where do you suggest they play ,away from their fans in say.Adelaide? Few like having to play away from their home ground but most would acknowledge they will be going back.It's the closest ground to the area, that is taking the local fans' travel into account.
Could have gone to fiji for atleast 2 games
 

T-Boon

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Rename them the Sydney Sharks. In 2022 when the SFS is ready have them play 2 home games there then gradually move more games there each year. Always have at least 4 games at Shark Park, use it as a training base. Give big discounts to existing ticketed members, arrange for free trains.
 

T-Boon

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As I have said elsewhere we also need a team in the northern suburbs and I don't mean manly.
Shift the Sea Eagles to North Sydney oval. Or shift them to some other city and bring in a team representing that whole area. Look on google maps - there is a whole like third of Sydney with no team.
 

MugaB

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Rename them the Sydney Sharks. In 2022 when the SFS is ready have them play 2 home games there then gradually move more games there each year. Always have at least 4 games at Shark Park, use it as a training base. Give big discounts to existing ticketed members, arrange for free trains.
Nah just don't rebuild SFS, no one NEEDS it, its a waste, can use SCG or ANZ, Sfs is a pain for travelling to enter through the city, shark park is a great stadium, i wouldnt merge them, unless roosters were going under
 

taipan

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Could have gone to fiji for atleast 2 games

They may even do that.
But you have to weigh up the costs of sacrificing local games (flights/accomm/loss of paying fans) to what they would get back home.Their memberships 'revenue would be less with only 10 home games to sell.

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MugaB

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They may even do that.
But you have to weigh up the costs of sacrificing local games (flights/accomm/loss of paying fans) to what they would get back home.Their memberships 'revenue would be less with only 10 home games to sell.

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They should have already done that, take your lowest attractive home game
Like Titans, Cowboys or Warriors, the rest play at Kogarah
 

taipan

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Sounds like they have no need to if there is already a huge Junior base there or if they want to capatalise on it they would whether Sharks where there or not? In fact if Sharks moved out and redeveloped the stadium for more apartments there would be no suitable stadium and so they'd be scuppered and Sharks would have some more money in the bank to cover losses?

"No need to",they are already pushing for entry and it's the lobbying by the Sydney FC that is is putting barriers in its path.You need to keep up to speed.They wanted to build a soccer stadium near the Loftus tech, which struck hurdles.If you give any competitor an inch they'll take a mile.

You even admitted yourself the turfing of the Force was an opportunity for the NRL to bring in a team in Perth.Yet you take the opposite view when it comes to a Sydney club like the Sharks.Seriously!!!!

The point is there are many kids who play soccer here and quite a few follow the Sharks.A relocation will obviously put them wholly into soccer, and the numbers of Sharks fans in toto would be lost to the game in the Shire.And from social media comments fans elsewhere would have no interest..
Which doesn't seem to sink in.Sheesh even union has a following here plus AFL.
A strong junior league thus has notsenior club to aspire .

You are beginning to sound like the ARU officials who removed the Force.The difference being the Sharks have a 50 plus year tradition and contribute to fanbase/merchandise and Tv ratings to the NRL.The Force were lost in a sea of AFL tragics and its TV ratings were below the Maginot line.

What a dumb comment" if the Sharks moved out and developed the stadium with apartments'"what happens to their Leagues club, losses would increase.Game days even till they started refurbishing brought in revenue to the old Leagues club. Thats one of the reasons they purchased the Kareela golf club as an interim though smaller revenue stream.
In addition people who have purchased units and live there or will live there, all bought in the knowledge of clear space(the football ground) being there.The Council have stipulated it must be for sport.The additions to the restaurants are also being built on not only looking over the Bay ,but the football ground.

You have learnt zero from the effect of the SL war with teams either being flicked ,or merged.The result did not bring a rise in ,crowds ,which have been up and down since.It resulted in large numbers of people being lost to the game.Why? Because the population has increased dramatically in the past 20 year, and NRL numbers have not.

Now what sort of long term guarantees have the Pirates got in place?Leagues club where no pokies allowed there? Sponsorship (long term) big companies)when the economy now looks like going into recession? You are swimming in a sea of AFL there, so how to you plan to ensure you are there for the long haul and not need bail outs?
Your crowds have been fickle in the past, what happens with a few years of crappy performances?What happens to a run of losses, if you have no Leagues club to prop up? What assets does the club have?
 

taipan

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Rename them the Sydney Sharks. In 2022 when the SFS is ready have them play 2 home games there then gradually move more games there each year. Always have at least 4 games at Shark Park, use it as a training base. Give big discounts to existing ticketed members, arrange for free trains.

Understand the chaos of Sydney infrastrucure road,rail ,then you might understand teh realities of life.
 

taipan

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As I have said elsewhere we also need a team in the northern suburbs and I don't mean manly.
Shift the Sea Eagles to North Sydney oval. Or shift them to some other city and bring in a team representing that whole area. Look on google maps - there is a whole like third of Sydney with no team.

And your team where would you like that to be relocated to ,so you can follow them on social media?
 

MugaB

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Sharks won't be going anywhere, much like Manly-Warringah, if the NRL decided that Sydney had too many clubs theyd move a club that would survive a relocation, not those clubs who are dependent on their area,
Souths and Roosters to Perth and Adelaide respectively
 

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