Taylor as a coach

[Old Time Tiger]

From the Souths thread, Disappointed in 2009
post # 1

Im disappointed
Peeved were not in the semis,one week play like world beaters then the next week play like wooden spooners.

http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=3420812009 at Souths and 2016 at West Tigers, pretty much the same isn't it?

Then

Jason Taylor officially sacked... 2009
post #6

guys we came 14th then 10th - I've heard of taking baby steps but this is ridiculous

post # 11

no matter what the players said, jt did not have their respect and hasn't for some time

http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=344336

The REAL Reason Souths Sacked Jason Taylor
http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=344420

 

[Das Hassler]

The salary cap / overs situation hasnt magically gone away nor will it anytime soon ...there are players to retain which wont be easy with tedesco about to sign on longterm for maybe15% of the cap. Letting JAC go was unavoidable ...as for Farah i believe JT has been used as the hatchet man by a board that has mostly
inherited a financial mess....its either see Farah in court or have his pride ask for a release. Potter was used the same way with Benji...benches him and hey presto! Imagine who we could have lost if had resigned for the money he was asking...it took a perceived fallout with Potter to move him on. Farah deserves respect from this club for his loyalty and most especially for helping retain Tedesco but sometimes the corner you're backed into only has one way out...i would rather lose Farah than most any combination of three other decent players on a combined total of around the same money.

 

[Tigerm]

To have a debate and a interesting forum you need people who are passionate and have opposing views. It seems this forum has now shrank to a handful of faithful all of who are sitting on the same side of the fence. In the past this was a great forum, some very clever people would push the boundaries to the limit.

I am not sure why the interest has dropped off but i guess these things go in cycles. As for the other forum, there seem so be pretty to much two camps on most subjects and a couple of swingers...a bit like our up coming election.

Anyway guys just to throw a rat in the ring, I am still willing to give Taylor a crack till at least the end of the season and maybe next year. I have seen improvements, things like our goal line defence,kicking game except goal kicking and the SC department that Taylor put in place has done wonders with our injury toll. I just do not think we will ever achieve anything if we keep turning over coaches. Okay if a real top notch coach like Bellyache landed on our door step, I would say go for it, but for a Cleary or a Toovey I am not sure. I still think there are to many holes in our roster and to much inexperience and fingers crossed 2017 the worm will start to climb sharply.

Okay guys go for it I have thick skin..Iam ready for the barrage

But isn't this stuff supposed to standard first grade fare, I mean the NRL is not the place to start learning the game?

As for Taylor, he just seems to very devisive re: Brian Smith, changing coaches is certainly not ideal, but again the NRL is the big show, its about winning, imo we should change until we get someone who can take the team to another level or two. It happens in every sport.

 

[Vic Mackey]

Should we just say what everyone's thinking? It hasn't been the same since themanonthehill got banned?

 

[Mr_Raditch]

Does anyone actually miss the Sheenius? In my darkest hours I've often found myself wondering this, but then I punish myself for having such dirty thoughts.

 

[Tiger05]

Does anyone actually miss the Sheenius? In my darkest hours I've often found myself wondering this, but then I punish myself for having such dirty thoughts.

The Sheenius was great at times. We would often come out with a good game plan and try stuff. At the same time his team selections at the end were atrocious.

 

[benched tiger]

I would just like to see our club be professional,personalities and egos should be pushed aside for the greater good of the team,i dont particularly like my boss but i work with the selfish,moronic pri*k to get the job done regardless of whether i like him or not.

 

[Eddie.]

The Sheenius was great at times. We would often come out with a good game plan and try stuff. At the same time his team selections at the end were atrocious.

I was very, very harsh on Sheens, particularly regarding his constant selection shuffling.

However when we were fit and firing he was a great coach. When we made the Semis I thought he had great game plans and balanced football. He could also influence refs

And in hindsight one thing he did super well was take away the off field turmoil.

Under Sheens he managed to keep the in fighting at bay.

Look he didnt leave the place in great shape and the style of football was becoming quite stale. However no one can deny what he did for the club.

But boy oh boy he was stubborn as a coach and i reckon it cost him his job in the end. Many seasons were near misses and i thought lost at the selection desk.

 

[innsaneink]

I would just like to see our club be professional,personalities and egos should be pushed aside for the greater good of the team,i dont particularly like my boss but i work with the selfish,moronic pri*k to get the job done regardless of whether i like him or not.

I think thats happening to an extent, at the start of the year Taylor said farah would be in reggies....but, for the greater good of the team, he not.

Rare for everyone in a squad or team to be best buds with the coach, Jack Gibson said:
The hardest thing about coaching is keeping the
four blokes that hate your guts away
from the six blokes that dont

 

[Vic Mackey]

Does anyone actually miss the Sheenius? In my darkest hours I've often found myself wondering this, but then I punish myself for having such dirty thoughts.

I've thought to myself a few times how this team would go under Sheens. I think I'm some ways the likes of Teddy, Simona, Brooks, Moses etc would love it, but we'd probably have the same problems we always did under sheens.

Will always be thankful to him, no way we attract players like Prince, Hodgson, Payten, Whatiura etc back in 03/04 without Sheens, we were beyond a laughing stock. The brand of footy we played in 05 to win the comp not many other coaches would have had the guts to play.

Problem was then he adjust the style when wrestlemania came in and we had probably the biggest boys club I've ever seen. I've spoken to Nick Graham, Andrew Fifita and Mitch Brown about their time at the club and they said it was u believably clicky, you were either in or out. If you weren't the right people's best mates you weren't in the team.

 

[madunit]

Sheens was only good at keeping Benji at the club

 

[Clifferd]

Madge is on the outer at Souffs apparently. I'd take him over Taylor any day, but as long as Tooveys still available I'd grab him

 

[Tigerm]

Madge is on the outer at Souffs apparently. I'd take him over Taylor any day, but as long as Tooveys still available I'd grab him

Yep, Toovey for me.

 

[Fordy20]

Not sold on Toovs. Madge has a good pedigree though. Worked under Bellyache at the Storm and took Souths to their first premiership in like forever. He has similar problems in that there are several players in big coin who are preventing other quality players from signing due to cap restrictions. If he came across and brought Damien Cook with him, that would be delightful.

 

[magpie guy]

I still think that Folkes would be a good option for us. He is a proven head coach, has worked with some of the guys before and would be able to control egos at the club.

 

[BrotherJim05]

Madge got the best out of a number of bunnies young guns (Reynolds, Walker, Au'va, G. Burgess, Johnston), whereas Toovey has that fire that we have been lacking for so long.

You know that Toovey will not put up with any boys club bullshit and whip the prima donnas into line, but Madge could bring Tedesco, Brooks and Moses game to another level.

Cleary is also in the frame as well but I don't think he has the same success as these two coaches have had, however he didn't inherit a star studded team like the others did.

 

[madunit]

Madge as head coach with Toovey as assistant and Folkes defensive would be a dream coaching staff

 

[Clifferd]

That'd be awesome tbh. Madge works on the overall team structures / lays down the law, gets rid of all the dead wood (boys club) etc

Toovey fixes things up here and there and adds in his input.

Then Folkss works on the nitty gritty stuff (Defense)

Iirc Folkes is only coaching the Jillaroos? Bet he'd love to come back to some sort of NRL coaching job if given the chance though.

 

[Ron's_Mate]

Madge as head coach with Toovey as assistant and Folkes defensive would be a dream coaching staff

In real life we'll get Alan Jones as head coach, with Paul Langmack as assistant and Terry Lamb as defensive.

 

[OVP]

Should we just say what everyone's thinking? It hasn't been the same since themanonthehill got banned?

Totally agree. The MOTH is greatly missed. And I'm not even a tigers fan.

Btw Taylor was a very good NSW Cup coach. He should go back to that. His career is dead after this current contract, if not before.