Team 20 - Who? Adelaide or Queensland 5?

[Perth Red]

Oh how I wish we had a Twiggy of our own over in Perth and Adelaide

The way the grant is now we really shouldnt need rich backers at any club.
If you can’t generate $15-20mill in fc operations you shouldn’t be in nrl.
If you can’t show nrl a strong business case that you can do that you shouldn’t be let in the nrl.
If you can do that you’re profitable without pokies, sugar daddies or any other revenue coming on.

 

[AdelaideRLFC]

Not a 2nd Melbourne team. A Geelong team.

 

[macca_saint]

Not a 2nd Melbourne team. A Geelong team.

This a gee up? Illawarra can’t even support a stand-alone side, let alone Geelong.

 

[The Great Dane]

The Great Dane is right. Perth, Adelaide, Wellington and Christchurch are the biggest media markets without an NRL team.

To decrease the risk in Adelaide set it up with the Bears and a large financial backer.

For NZ 2 work out a way to share games between Wellington and Christchurch to increase your support base from either location to the other 3 million people who live outside of Auckland.

Smaller markets like Cairns, Gosford and Sunshine Coast can be covered by getting existing teams (Cowboys, Sharks, Sea Eagles et al.) to permanently share games.

Adelaide doesn't need the Bears anymore than Perth does, and there's no way to 'share' games that won't be commercial cancer.

Pick either Wellington or Christchurch for the NRL then workout a way to get the other into the second tier as a feeder for the NRL side as part of a program to invest in promoting the second tier as a genuine product.

From there you work on building up the second tier to support as many of the secondary and tertiary markets like Cairns, Gosford, SSC, and other larger regional centres in NSW and Qld. The only sustainable solutions to the sport's problems in those markets are local ones.

 

[docbrown]

Adelaide doesn't need the Bears anymore than Perth does, and there's no way to 'share' games that won't be commercial cancer.

Pick either Wellington or Christchurch for the NRL then workout a way to get the other into the second tier as a feeder for the NRL side as part of a program to invest in promoting the second tier as a genuine product.

From there you work on building up the second tier to support as many of the secondary and tertiary markets like Cairns, Gosford, SSC, and other larger regional centres in NSW and Qld. The only sustainable solutions to the sport's problems in those markets are local ones.

The only anti-Bears cancer that exists is on rugby league forums. In real life it won’t affect Adelaide negatively at all.

I don’t mind if it was just Wellington or Christchurch but the likelihood of a third New Zealand team isn’t happening any time in the next 30 years. Having the losing city play in a second tier comp as a feeder for the other won’t do much at all. Even Rugby League fans in Australia can’t tell you most of the second tier sides.

 

[The Great Dane]

The only anti-Bears cancer that exists is on rugby league forums. In real life it won’t affect Adelaide negatively at all.

Billy Moore has made the Bears intentions as clear as crystal. At this point it's totally undeniable that any market associated with the Bears will be negatively effected by that association.

But for sake of argument lets say that you're right; being lumped with the Bears won't help Adelaide either, and something merely not hurting you isn't a very good argument to do it either.

The only reason people like you want the Bears involved in the discussion at all is because it'd make you feel good and appeal to your sense of nostalgia. Here's the thing though, the team wouldn't be for you or me, it'd be for the people of Adelaide. Given that maybe, just maybe, we should allow the people of Adelaide the freedom to build it as they see fit, and how they think it'll be most successful, not lump them with the baggage of Sydney's past.

I don’t mind if it was just Wellington or Christchurch but the likelihood of a third New Zealand team isn’t happening any time in the next 30 years. Having the losing city play in a second tier comp as a feeder for the other won’t do much at all. Even Rugby League fans in Australia can’t tell you most of the second tier sides.

Only because zero effort has been put into building the second tier up as a product in it's own right and promoting it.

I'm not saying that a second tier comp will ever be as big as the NRL is, but done right it could be a damn sight more successful than it is now, and big enough to sustain many of those smaller markets that either aren't suitable for the NRL, or the NRL doesn't have space for yet.

I'd be willing to bet that a national NRL (or AFL FTM) second tier comp could be of a similar size to the A-league or NBL if it was set up right and promoted well.

 

[Perth Red]

Billy Moore has made the Bears intentions as clear as crystal. At this point it's totally undeniable that any market associated with the Bears will be negatively effected by that association.

But for sake of argument lets say that you're right; being lumped with the Bears won't help Adelaide either, and something merely not hurting you isn't a very good argument to do it either.

The only reason people like you want the Bears involved in the discussion at all is because it'd make you feel good and appeal to your sense of nostalgia. Here's the thing though, the team wouldn't be for you or me, it'd be for the people of Adelaide. Given that maybe we should allow the people of Adelaide the freedom to build it as they see fit, and how they think it'll be most successful, not lump them with the baggage of Sydney's past.

Only because zero effort has been put into building the second tier up as a product in it's own right and promoting it.

I'm not saying that a second tier comp will ever be as big as the NRL is, but done right it could be a damn sight more successful than it is now, and big enough to sustain many of those smaller markets either aren't suitable for the NRL, or the NRL doesn't have space for yet.

I'd be willing to bet that a national NRL (or AFL FTM) second tier comp could be of a similar size to the A-league or NBL if it was set up right and promoted well.

We've seen in viewing for NRLW that a second division comp would easily match Aleague and super rugby tv audiences.

 

[Colk]

To be frank it’s probably just as likely that RL put three new Qld teams in at the behest of News Limited and any chance of real expansion will be DOA.

 

[Canard]

The Great Dane is right. Perth, Adelaide, Wellington and Christchurch are the biggest media markets without an NRL team.

To decrease the risk in Adelaide set it up with the Bears and a large financial backer.

For NZ 2 work out a way to share games between Wellington and Christchurch to increase your support base from either location to the other 3 million people who live outside of Auckland.

Smaller markets like Cairns, Gosford and Sunshine Coast can be covered by getting existing teams (Cowboys, Sharks, Sea Eagles et al.) to permanently share games.

Why do games need to be played in Cairns for example?

Townsville is centrally located in NQ and covers all of NQ.

It's like saying we need to play games of NRL in Bondi or Acacia Ridge to ensure that 100% of Sydney and Brisbane are covered.

 

[MugaB]

Why do games need to be played in Cairns for example?

Bwahahahahahaha
thats what the cowboys said
It's to be used as a base in Australia, theyll be fifo to PNG for the bulk of their season,dont fret it won't affect the cowboys as much as you think, fmd you're really jealous dude

 

[titoelcolombiano]

not sure why, they are payimg for a pi/png club. If it’s based in cairns or wellington should be immaterial.

the gemba report showed the broncos already had major fanbase in the northern area. It’s hardly like it wasn’t being covered already to a large degree.

Re: Pasifica team, you might be right there.

Re: SEQ expansion, it's not so much about getting the Broncos to cover everything, it's about growing with a region that is having a population boom and that will only continue for the decades to come. We are the number 1 game and it's smart to add teams as the region grows to maintain that.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Time to talk about it again.

Will it be a Newtown Jets and Port Augusta joint venture?
Pasifika team playing out of Dubbo?
Queensland 5 based in Lismore?
New Zealand 2 out of Auckland?
Singapore Slingers?
Hull Jerks?
Mosman team to cover the central coast?
Robot team?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Looking back and forward, it's all pretty obvious what the NRL want.

17 was always Redcliffe
18 PNG
19 Perth
20 NZ SI
21 Ipswich

After that who knows, but Adelaide, Melbourne 2, Fiji and Wellington will probably put their hand up.

 

[blue bags]

Bwahahahahahaha
thats what the cowboys said
It's to be used as a base in Australia, theyll be fifo to PNG for the bulk of their season,dont fret it won't affect the cowboys as much as you think, fmd you're really jealous dude

The NRLW cowgirls team is playing in Cairns

 

[Matt_CBY]

18 PNG
19 Perth

Every report I’ve read has these two the other way around.

 

[Matt_CBY]

The NRLW cowgirls team is playing in Cairns

Not next season

 

[blue bags]

Not next season

2026 ?
Will they be based there. Or just play games there ?

 

[Matt_CBY]

2026 ?
Will they be based there. Or just play games there ?

Not sure what the target date is.

Think I remember reading that they would be based in Cairns after a stadium upgrade and training facilities that match the ones in Townsville.

 

[T to the T]

Looking back and forward, it's all pretty obvious what the NRL want.

17 was always Redcliffe
18 PNG
19 Perth
20 NZ SI
21 Ipswich

After that who knows, but Adelaide, Melbourne 2, Fiji and Wellington will probably put their hand up.

Spot on. Team 22 will be Adelaide, and depending on how Perth Bears get on, will be the Adelaide Jets or a legacy Brisbane side/brand in South Australia (Brothers, Diehards...just spit balling names here, but you get the picture).

Once 22 sides are locked in, I guess then the season will be brought to 22 games with everyone playing eachother once and a protected rivalry.

Currently with 17 teams playing 24 matches each, my rudimentary maths says the NRL takes 204 games to market.

Once again we get to 20 teams playing 24 matches each, this gives 240 games to broadcasters.
At 22 teams playing 22 matches each, this gives 242 games to broadcasters.

The fallow weeks will be meated out by a stronger women's game and representative calendar.

 

[Matt_CBY]

@blue bags 2027

details about stadium upgrade and COE here: https://www.removepaywall.com/searc...ws-story/92ff05ef8a6b86fc6afda72598c94899?amp