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[Legal Eel]

*not guilty

Which makes your happiness about it on the nose, and premature.
If he’s innocent, sure yeehaw away. But if he’s just not guilty because there’s not enough evidence, that’s not the same thing as innocent

I'm glad you know the difference between "not guilty" and "innocent".

But you do realise that there is no finding of "innocent"?

In your scenario where he's not guilty because of a lack of evidence, he could also be "innocent".

I have acted for many people who were clearly innocent and whose charges were withdrawn due to a lack of evidence - often the lack of evidence is an even more conclusive proof of innocence than any verdict by a judge or jury.

People love to say that "not guilty" doesn't prove innocence, but what it does prove is the absence of guilt according to the law...and that is the only relevant measure of guilt, depsite the NRL's attempts to position themselves as moral arbiters.

 

[84 Baby]

I'm glad you know the difference between "not guilty" and "innocent".

But you do realise that there is no finding of "innocent"?

In your scenario where he's not guilty because of a lack of evidence, he could also be "innocent".

I have acted for many people who were clearly innocent and whose charges were withdrawn due to alack of evidence - often the lack of evidence is an even more conclusive proof of innocence than any verdict by a judge or jury.

People love to say that "not guilty" doesn't prove innocence, but what it does prove is the absence of guilt according to the law...and that is the only relevant measure of guilt, depsite the NRL's attempts to position themselves as moral arbiters.

Did I say there could be a court finding of innocence? No, Ram insinuated it.
My point that you and Ram seemed to miss was that we shouldn’t be cheering a rather inconclusive not guilty verdict (that hasn’t even occurred yet FFS) when even if he isn’t guilty, it seems likely that something has taken place that shouldn’t exactly be cheered on.

 

[Legal Eel]

Did I say there could be a court finding of innocence? No, Ram insinuated it.
My point that you and Ram seemed to miss was that we shouldn’t be cheering a rather inconclusive not guilty verdict (that hasn’t even occurred yet FFS) when even if he isn’t guilty, it seems likely that something has taken place that shouldn’t exactly be cheered on.

I get what you are saying.

But there seems to be this prevailing societal view that if a judge doesn't pronounce "innocence", then it is merely some technicality - as if the charge itself were proof of guilt enough.

I can tell you that the days of Police conscientiously issuing charges are long gone. Particularly in this area of law, if there is a complaint, a charge will invariably follow.

What do the Lisa Wilkinson crew say? Believe all women....

 

[84 Baby]

I get what you are saying.

But there seems to be this prevailing societal view that if a judge doesn't pronounce "innocence", then it is merely some technicality - as if the charge itself were proof of guilt enough.

I can tell you that the days of Police conscientiously issuing charges are long gone. Particularly in this area of law, if there is a complaint, a charge will invariably follow.

What do the Lisa Wilkinson crew say? Believe all women....

But that’s not what I was saying. It’s just not something that I think should be celebrated. Not in least part because it tells Brown that he did nothing wrong, when everyone knows he’s, at the very least, put himself in a risky situation.

 

[Legal Eel]

But that’s not what I was saying. It’s just not something that I think should be celebrated. Not in least part because it tells Brown that he did nothing wrong, when everyone knows he’s, at the very least, put himself in a risky situation.

Fair enough, it seems I may have misconceived your position.

 

[hindy111]

Great insight, thanks

No worries. If want to know happens with fence I let you know

 

[yy_cheng]

All these news flashes but no link

 

[hindy111]

So what happens now. Did he go to court?

 

[IFR33K]

So what happens now. Did he go to court?

yes this morning. Pleaded not guilty to 5 counts of touching.

 

[hindy111]

yes this morning. Pleaded not guilty to 5 counts of touching.

So what's next?

 

[IFR33K]

So what's next?

court in 3 weeks. Lawyer said vid footage doesn’t support the charges. He may of touched her once. Or twice. But they are arguing not 5 times. Hopefully cctv doesn’t show anything

 

[King-Gutho94]

Nrl Physio has caught Gus out on a lie that he said Reed has never had a concussion.

 

[Gronk]

Jake Arthur comes straight in. Oh wait.

 

[Cloeel]

court in 3 weeks. Lawyer said vid footage doesn’t support the charges. He may of touched her once. Or twice. But they are arguing not 5 times. Hopefully cctv doesn’t show anything

Its also to be determined whether or not it was non consensual. How do we know this person was not all for it until realising DB wasn't that interested? Body language experts? witness testimonies?

 

[King-Gutho94]

Would you move Cartwright to 5/8 and re-assess next week the availability of moses.

Maybe get through this week with gutho at the back with Burton bombs

Asi at FB next week probably would be a safer option as Manly wont have DCE so he won't be peppered by Burton Bombs. Move Gutho to 5/8 and hope moses isn't playing for NSW.

 

[King-Gutho94]

There is one other option start Hands at 5/8 and bring Asi off the bench when Hodgo is tired after 50 mins and move Hands to hooker.

Gutho and Moses will be running the attack anyway.

 

[Gazzamatta]

We are Parramatta and Dyl was training in the Blue shirt.

Blue shirt never fails.

 

[Chipmunk]

Would you move Cartwright to 5/8 and re-assess next week the availability of moses.

Maybe get through this week with gutho at the back with Burton bombs

Asi at FB next week probably would be a safer option as Manly wont have DCE so he won't be peppered by Burton Bombs. Move Gutho to 5/8 and hope moses isn't playing for NSW.

Surely the way the season has gone Moses, Junior and RCG all make the NSW team and Gutho is 18th man.

 

[Gazzamatta]

Surely the way the season has gone Moses, Junior and RCG all make the NSW team and Gutho is 18th man.

And Hopgood Qld.

 

[Chipmunk]

And Hopgood Qld.

They're f**ken looking for a middle to.