Team v. Brisbane

[Chipmunk]

That's what I said. But no merkin says a word (other than blaming Folau for the drop) because Peats is untouchable.

Ditched Peats now. You loved him once. Said he would bring that winning attitude or leadership needed

 

[strider]

The players we're keeping are talented too. The problem is we don't produce tough players with hard edged attitudes. Is that because we lack them in the district and struggle to poach them from outside? Or is it (more likely IMO) that this is a learned trait that our youngsters never learn because there's never any hardened senior players at the club to learn it from?

i was thinking this same thing this morning ... we don't produce tough players - guys who play hard ..... so BA is bringing them in .... but by contrast look at what the dragons are doing - they are actually producing tough young players

 

[Chipmunk]

Wayne Bennett's + Hodges pressie saying Parramatta came to play today.
That they won due to luck going their way and a few big plays that paid off.
Bennett praising the Eels for their effort tonight.
http://www.nrl.com/rd-8-press-conference-broncos/tabid/10959/contentid/742674/default.aspx

Brad Arthur's + Mannah's Pressie saying we lost concentration (lapses) during critical points in the game
http://www.nrl.com/rd-8-press-conference-eels/tabid/10959/tab/6/contentid/742677/default.aspx

We lose concentration and have lapses in games every week. Im not sure this group of players is ever not going to do that. I think this is a poor excuse for losing more often than not, but it wont change.

 

[Chipmunk]

We just lost a game to the team at the top of the ladder, in circumstances where the opposition coach said that the result basically came down to the rub of the green. Talking about being '2nd last' is fine, but we are 2 points out of the 8. If we had a few things go our way last night, and won, would we really be 'going better'? Agree that Peats is down on form a little, but last year we were in shell shock at having a competent hooker.

We've got every chance of being 'in the mix' for Top 8, but the edge of the Top 8 may not be too far from the spoon.

Hand on heart, do you honestly think we will win 10 from 16 with only 6 gamesto play at Pirtek?

 

[hineyrulz]

Hand on heart, do you honestly think we will win 10 from 16 with only 6 gamesto play at Pirtek?

Not even close.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Hand on heart, do you honestly think we will win 10 from 16 with only 6 gamesto play at Pirtek?

I have no idea. It's certainly more than a remote possibility, partic. if we catch some teams without Origin players etc. Why would I want to write off our season at this point? I didn't say that we were more likely than not to make the 8, I said there's a good chance we can be in the mix for the bottom end of the 8. Shit happens to other teams as well as us.

 

[strider]

Hand on heart, do you honestly think we will win 10 from 16 with only 6 gamesto play at Pirtek?

i honestly think at some stage this year, things will click a bit and we will go on a run .... but like so many years, we'll probably fall short of the 8 and finish 9th - 12th

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Ditched Peats now. You loved him once. Said he would bring that winning attitude or leadership needed

And I still do. Does that mean I'm not allowed to point out his flaws? I think I'm starting to understand the mentality of a lot of fans on here.

So I need to choose players I love and players I hate. The ones I love I have to praise at every opportunity and never point out their flaws or failures. For the ones I hate I need to do the opposite. Got it.

Unfortunately for me I like all our players. And even my favourites (which include Peats) have flaws. Only pointed out Peats' failure on that play to highlight what hypocrites most of you are. You never say a f**king word when one of your favourites f**ks up. And when one of your scapegoats does something good you ignore it. Most of you are f**king pathetic.

 

[Bigfella]

It's perfectly reasonable to say we have beaten the two other worst sides in the comp and caught the roosters after some hard games and with some players out.

There's no great reason to be hugely optimistic about the season after 8 rounds

 

[Poupou Escobar]

i was thinking this same thing this morning ... we don't produce tough players - guys who play hard ..... so BA is bringing them in .... but by contrast look at what the dragons are doing - they are actually producing tough young players

They did win back-to-back minor premierships just five years ago. That attitude doesn't leave a club in such a short amount of time - some of the current players were actually part of that.

 

[Bandwagon]

We were pretty close last night.

We won the yardage battle fairly convincingly, but failed to convert that into points.

Brisbane's on line defence held fairly well, and yet again that frustrated errors out of us.

Semi comes back next game, Jnr aint far behind. We will improve.

 

[souths_pride]

Yep spot on. Fans delude themselves into thinking players give a shit about the club or the jersey. Or that it even matters. Maguire didn't seem to have a problem throwing big money at Glenn Stewart. Coaches aren't stupid. They know that proven performers are all self motivated. Love for the club is irrelevant on game day. It might just get you a discount on the player at contract time.

The best players do give a stuff about the club; attitude comes from a desire of wanting to be there and caring about the fans. Self-motivation is a big part of caring about the club you play for; you shouldn't need to be reminded or told that you have to care about your club, it should come from within you. In saying that, yes I agree - caring about the club, the jersey, the fans etc. doesn't win you football games; I was only mentioning that in the context of leadership and the fact that Parra doesn't seem to have many.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Agreed we lack leadership. But signing players from outside isn't the cause. In fact it's the only realistic solution.

 

[Noise]

Agreed we lack leadership. But signing players from outside isn't the cause. In fact it's the only realistic solution.

Are we buying the right leaders? So far the evidence suggests we are not.

 

[souths_pride]

Agreed we lack leadership. But signing players from outside isn't the cause. In fact it's the only realistic solution.

I don't have a problem with buying players if that's the road you want to go down. But I would try and buy players who are on the right side of 30 and who are going to get better. Like I've said, I think that the 30+ year olds view their jobs as being black and white and as a result, don't genuinely care what happens to the club. Thats not to say that they aren't good players or that they don't do well, its just that they've been at other clubs their entire career and aren't going to be there for a long period of time due to their age.

You mention buying players is the only realistic solution. Why is that? I've mentioned recruitment before. Parra juniors are always so good and the ones that you let go often go on to have successful rugby league careers at other clubs. So my question is, what is happening between the the Harold Matts, S.G. Ball years and the time that they leave the club? Why don't these kids make it? I've never imagined Parra to be a club that would need to buy players but obviously Parramatta officials see things differently. However, if it were me I would be investing money in ensuring that the best players in your juniors are retained. I realise its not as easy as it sounds and that some are simply going to slip through the net, but surely you guys can do a better job than what your doing now.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Are we buying the right leaders? So far the evidence suggests we are not.

What evidence? We don't get two of them until next year.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You mention buying players is the only realistic solution. Why is that? I've mentioned recruitment before. Parra juniors are always so good and the ones that you let go often go on to have successful rugby league careers at other clubs. So my question is, what is happening between the the Harold Matts, S.G. Ball years and the time that they leave the club? Why don't these kids make it? I've never imagined Parra to be a club that would need to buy players but obviously Parramatta officials see things differently. However, if it were me I would be investing money in ensuring that the best players in your juniors are retained. I realise its not as easy as it sounds and that some are simply going to slip through the net, but surely you guys can do a better job than what your doing now.

Mate your opinion was out of date a decade ago. Souths bought their way to a premiership. That's how it works.

The difference is you don't just buy first graders; you also have to buy players all the way down to under 18s and 'develop' them.

 

[souths_pride]

Mate your opinion was out of date a decade ago. Souths bought their way to a premiership. That's how it works.

The difference is you don't just buy first graders; you also have to buy players all the way down to under 18s and 'develop' them.

This is not a personal hatred or a dig at Parramatta. I openly admit that Parramatta juniors are better than South Sydney's, so yes we are force to bring in players. In saying that the players we bring in are young and make their debuts for the club. McQueen, Tyrell, Clark, Johnston, Dylan Walker, Adam Reynolds and Luke Keary etc. all played in the lower grades for Souths. Yes we bought superstars, such as Sam Burgess and Greg Inglis but they were young and still had plenty of improvement in them. If you call that 'buying a premiership' then sure, we are guilty of that.

I think your missing my point. All I'm saying is that if you want to buy players, thats fine! But why not buy younger players who are going to get better. The other issue I raised was in regards to what is happening with Parrmatta's highly successful juniors. If you guys have the talent in the lower grades, then why aren't the best ones making it to first grade.

 

[Avenger]

Hey Souths Pride

How do you rate Johnston?

 

[souths_pride]

Hey Souths Pride

How do you rate Johnston?

There is a lot of debate between many Souths fans about what his best position is. I think he has been one of our better and more consistent players all season and we need to retain him. His main strength is his speed and elusiveness. A lot of people say he is purely a finisher, but I think that view is misguided - have a look at the amount of metres he makes in general play through line breaks and line break assists. His weaknesses at the moment are his defence and his position when it comes to defusing bombs. I think with his defence, his physical strength is an issue; he needs to spend a few more years in the gym to add a bit of size to his frame.

If you are alluding to the rumors that have been circulating that Parra are interested in signing him, I don't think he is what you guys need. I think the money would be better spent elsewhere. Reece Robinson has been a very, very good signing and looks great at fullback. If you want to spend money on a winger, maybe go after Edrick Lee - very underrated player in my view. Also, I don't think money is what he is after; Johnston has stated in numerous interview that he wants to pull fullback so I think unless a team can offer him a fullback spot, he won't be leaving Souths.