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Team v Bulldogs

vvvrulz

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Go and look at the prop stats for the Bulldogs. Then you will see why they are on top and we are sitting 11th. It all begins with the forwards.

:lol: Why don't you go back and watch a replay of the Cowboys game, where Rapira smashed their forwards in a place we never win.

I'm not saying that Rapira is setting the world on fire, but he deserves his spot in the team and is comfortably our #2 prop behind Lillyman.
 

vvvrulz

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And by the way, comparing us to the Dogs is pretty pointless given that our forwards matched theirs last month (including Rapira). They won by 1 point remember?
 

reykaine

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so you are more about quality. I am more about quantity and leading from the front. So what you are saying is that its a wingers job or a second rowers job to be doing more hitups and getting smashed in the tackle more often. They are not in the team for that.
I want a prop wanting the ball and being prepared to get smashed because that's their job. 8 hit ups a game is not acceptable for a premier prop. So what you are telling me is Rapira is a now considered a 2nd tier prop. If that's what you are telling me that's fine. But if you consider him a 1st tier prop then I am expecting him to maximise his time on the field. Lillyman had one game where he was only on the field for 38mins and had 13 hitups.

Anyway its obvious we agree to disagree. Lets see what the stats are after 26 rounds shall we?
 

reykaine

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And by the way, comparing us to the Dogs is pretty pointless given that our forwards matched theirs last month (including Rapira). They won by 1 point remember?

Its not pointless because their top 2 props have been consistent all season long and that reflects their position on the table. Lillyman has been consistent against all teams this year. Sam had 3 good games at the start of the year and then tapered off. That shouldn't happen from a premier prop. Now that he's back in the 2nd row, someone else needs to step up to Lillymans level.
I would love us to get revenge against the doggies on Sunday but Lillyman needs help.
 

Fast Eddie

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so you are more about quality. I am more about quantity and leading from the front. So what you are saying is that its a wingers job or a second rowers job to be doing more hitups and getting smashed in the tackle more often. They are not in the team for that.
I want a prop wanting the ball and being prepared to get smashed because that's their job. 8 hit ups a game is not acceptable for a premier prop. So what you are telling me is Rapira is a now considered a 2nd tier prop. If that's what you are telling me that's fine. But if you consider him a 1st tier prop then I am expecting him to maximise his time on the field. Lillyman had one game where he was only on the field for 38mins and had 13 hitups.

Anyway its obvious we agree to disagree. Lets see what the stats are after 26 rounds shall we?


I can always provide the stats that show that he is performing pretty much identically quality and quantity wise to the two starting props for the premiers pack if you like?

Your complaints don't stack up unless you compare him to the hardest working props in the game.
 

Rich102

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FWIW.

Rapira's rating on our POD rankings:

Round 2 he got the 4th highest rating with .6 points
Round 3 he got the highest rating with 2.3 points
Round 5 he got the 6th highest rating with .27 points
Round 7 he got the 7th highest rating with .07 points

A total of 3.24 points which places him in 8th place on our POTY rankings.

(Mateo has 1.5 points and is in 19th place; one place ahead of Ropati.)
 

Meth

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:lol: I did. And Graham (one of the best props in the game) and Tolman (one of the hardest working props in the game) in the same minutes would average about 10-10.5 hitups a game. 2 extra hitups each. Shocking from Rapira.

both tend to play more minutes as well
 

Meth

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VODAFONE WARRIORS

1 SAM TOMKINS

2 NGANI LAUMAPE

3 KONRAD HURRELL

4 BEN HENRY

5 MANU VATUVEI

6 CHAD TOWNSEND

7 SHAUN JOHNSON

8 SUAIA MATAGI

9 NATHAN FRIEND

10 JACOB LILLYMAN

11 JAYSON BUKUYA

12 BEN MATULINO

13 SIMON MANNERING (c)

Interchange:

14 FELETI MATEO

15 SEBASTINE IKAHIHIFO

16 SIONE LOUSI

17 KEVIN LOCKE

20 CHARLIE GUBB

Unchanged. But Gubb joins the bench
 

Diesel

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Not a bad team expect for Locke, hopefully not playing dummy half

Any idea when TL is back? Is this the same injury he had last year for the WC
 

Meth

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I still haven't forgiven Gubb for that pass, but would like to see him get the nod ahead of Locke
 

WellsNZ

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Locke as anything more than a travelling member in case one of the backs pulls up short pre game doesn't really make any sense to me.

Even if TL and Havili are hurt, would rather Lolohea in that spot if they want some sort of utility guy on the bench. It's not like there's much point in investing time in Locke now, he's leaving, if they need him to start on the wing/fullback then he's good depth to have to see out the year but I don't see the value in having him fill a bench spot.

If Gubb is the one that makes it into the 17 instead then that makes much more sense.
 

Meth

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hmmm I think what we have with Lolohea is a similar predicament to the one we had with Johnson. We know he's extraordinarily talented. How do we develop him to maximise his potential. I don't think I want to see him in First Grade in 2014
 

sup42

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Rapira's an important part of the Machine.

At one time he was the best prop in the NRL ( the world Johns and Fittler used to enjoy saying ).

Those Injuries , more the way they came one on top of another take a lot of mental fortitude to come back from......players like Tate get praised for it.....players like Rapira not so much.

No player comes back from that the same.

Key things that separate Rapira from the other props :

Rapira is the best Marker defender by some distance , people overlook his sprinting out of marker to chop runners down at the boot laces....have a look at how he makes desperate dives for a prop. That's a defensive attitude thing.

Rapira is the most experienced , he's never been sullied by off field issues that other local players can be prone too , he's never believed his own hype.

Rapira does the dirty runs. The unglamorous hit up when the opposition defence is set and meters are not the end Game. A fast play the ball is ( Rapira has the fastest play the ball of all of our Props. Every team needs a balance of grunt props ( smaller guys who will get up faster and offset tackles 2,3,4,5 by getting the roll on ).

Props who run from deep ( Lillyman / Matangi ) get the glory stats.

If you think about how the Melbourne Storm try to win tackle one and slow the play the ball , they will risk penalties to stop people like Rapira making it hard work for them to reset for the rest of the defensive set.

Pleased to see Gub back. Young'uns are always going to do stupid things. Looking at where perseverance with Seb Ikahihifo and Sione Louisi is getting us now.....Depth man....serious depth.....good times...good times....
 
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shocking bench imo locke ruins the makeup of the side

ive been saying for a while now that i think matangi needs a spell in nsw cup, just dont see the hunger like last year, looks laboured and gets gassed early.
it was a massive rise for him last season then the world cup then no preseason and now played every game. give him a spell and get the hunger back
 

JJ

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not sure of the point of Locke..

Not sold on Gubb either, but the Dogs pack is outstanding, we need to compete there, if they dominate we're toast I reckon, so Gubb in for Locke I think... if nothing else him running straight at Graham is funny
 

vvvrulz

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Excellent analysis of Rapira back there, sums up just how valuable he is.
Anybody who thinks Rapira isn't up to it doesn't read the game closely.
 
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