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JJ

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cappy will have a plan for tui. hell be right

Either that's dry humour, or you're serious - if you're serious, I am concerned.

And yes, on Havili whether or not he has to f.o he is not first grade at the moment, with and without the ball he is not good - I really don't get the love for him
 

Fast Eddie

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Either that's dry humour, or you're serious - if you're serious, I am concerned.

And yes, on Havili whether or not he has to f.o he is not first grade at the moment, with and without the ball he is not good - I really don't get the love for him

Sounds like you are just as much describing Nathan Friend.
 

Iron Lion

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Any NRL team that has Jono Wright, Nathan Friend and Chad Townsend starting is well and truly out of the running. Jono Wright gone is one positive, Friend and Townsend out will see a big shift in how the team moves through the field.

I cant believe Townsend has maintained his starting position. The guy is horrendous on defense which ultimately undoes every bit of good work he does ball in hand, which is not of an elite NRL level to begin with.
 

JJ

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Sounds like you are just as much describing Nathan Friend.

Yep, our hookers this year have been shite, no question - whichever of the 3 plays they are pretty much the worst in the NRL - Havili has youth on his side, but there must be questions over his effort and attitude - say what you like about Friend, but those aspects can't be questioned of him

Counting sleeps until we have Luke - although we're in the top 8, we're not a threat imo, and will continue to flatter to deceive - with the squad we look like having next year, hopes should be higher
 

Fast Eddie

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Yep, our hookers this year have been shite, no question - whichever of the 3 plays they are pretty much the worst in the NRL - Havili has youth on his side, but there must be questions over his effort and attitude - say what you like about Friend, but those aspects can't be questioned of him

Counting sleeps until we have Luke - although we're in the top 8, we're not a threat imo, and will continue to flatter to deceive - with the squad we look like having next year, hopes should be higher

McFadden has just gone for the boring 'safe' route, knowing that you will get a dependable average at best performance out of Friend for 60 minutes. Considering Friend is gone at the end of the season I would have liked to have seen what Havili has to offer for a decent period of time and if he will be worth retaining/any future for him at the club after this season. As it is what Havili has done isn't exactly worse than Friend anyway.
 

vvvrulz

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McFadden has just gone for the boring 'safe' route, knowing that you will get a dependable average at best performance out of Friend for 60 minutes. Considering Friend is gone at the end of the season I would have liked to have seen what Havili has to offer for a decent period of time and if he will be worth retaining/any future for him at the club after this season. As it is what Havili has done isn't exactly worse than Friend anyway.

I'll take safe and dependable over a new talent who isn't trying all that hard.

Luke will take over anyway, might as well get someone who'll see off the year by putting in an honest days work every time.

Not sure why Wright and Townsend are getting hate, they're not superstars but they're doing their job.

Our problems run deeper than the players we're putting on the park, on paper they're good enough to beat most NRL teams.
 

Fast Eddie

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I'll take safe and dependable over a new talent who isn't trying all that hard.

Luke will take over anyway, might as well get someone who'll see off the year by putting in an honest days work every time.

Not sure why Wright and Townsend are getting hate, they're not superstars but they're doing their job.

Our problems run deeper than the players we're putting on the park, on paper they're good enough to beat most NRL teams.

I guess you share the same attitude as the coach then, take someone who will put in a 'honest days work', albeit it turning in very average performances instead of seeing what you have in a younger player who by the way wasn't exactly playing worse than Friend anyway. As long as you appear to be trying hard to the average fan while playing poorly it's alright. I guess my point is I'll take the chance of Havili turning in some nice performances and offering something a but different (but even if not still on a similar level to Friend), than the dependably poor you know you will get from Friend.
 
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Penrose Warrior

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Well done Cappy, this is the backline I wanted to see from round one (barring Laumape probably for Maumalo, or Kata on a wing).

I've been like a dog with a bone in regards to Maumalo v Wright for the very reason we saw on Saturday. Yeah Maumalo will probably make a few errors but his upside is so much greater than Wright's. We've got a guy who has the same skill set as Manu and is actually probably bigger. He's certainly taller and with the same hard work and dedication Manu put in, could be an ever bigger aerial threat.

I have to say that Wright did his bit and should be fairly proud of what he did over the last few rounds. But he's not NRL standard, I truly believe that when there's a kid with the quality of Ken behind him.

Interested in Gubb on the bench. How's he been going in NSW Cup? Thought Vete and Lisone were really down on energy last week, like the rigours of week in, week out football and travel caught up with them. So will be intrigued as to how things go up front.
 

Rich102

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Any NRL team that has Jono Wright, Nathan Friend and Chad Townsend starting is well and truly out of the running. Jono Wright gone is one positive, Friend and Townsend out will see a big shift in how the team moves through the field.

I cant believe Townsend has maintained his starting position. The guy is horrendous on defense which ultimately undoes every bit of good work he does ball in hand, which is not of an elite NRL level to begin with.

How come his defensive stats are well ahead of Johnson's?

And if you are going to drop anybody surely you have to have a better replacement waiting.

Or do you know something we don't?:sarcasm:
 

JJ

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How come his defensive stats are well ahead of Johnson's?

And if you are going to drop anybody surely you have to have a better replacement waiting.

Or do you know something we don't?:sarcasm:

funny eh

Chad is not great defensively, but to me there's not a single back that could be described as better than bog average defensively - and several are much worse than Townsend
 

Sanchez

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Well done Cappy, this is the backline I wanted to see from round one (barring Laumape probably for Maumalo, or Kata on a wing).

I've been like a dog with a bone in regards to Maumalo v Wright for the very reason we saw on Saturday. Yeah Maumalo will probably make a few errors but his upside is so much greater than Wright's. We've got a guy who has the same skill set as Manu and is actually probably bigger. He's certainly taller and with the same hard work and dedication Manu put in, could be an ever bigger aerial threat.

I have to say that Wright did his bit and should be fairly proud of what he did over the last few rounds. But he's not NRL standard, I truly believe that when there's a kid with the quality of Ken behind him.

Interested in Gubb on the bench. How's he been going in NSW Cup? Thought Vete and Lisone were really down on energy last week, like the rigours of week in, week out football and travel caught up with them. So will be intrigued as to how things go up front.

Im not sure how anyone can advocate for another error prone player over someone reliable
 

Penrose Warrior

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Im not sure how anyone can advocate for another error prone player over someone reliable

In another parallel universe Jono Wright might be considered a 'reliable' player, but Sharks and Eels fans will tell you he's a spud who has plenty of errors in him. Yes he had a few passably good games, but they were against pretty average opposition.

Maumalo might give you the same error rate with better carries, more of a dent in the opposition and one hell of a brighter future.

It's okay, taken Cappy 7 or 8 rounds to get to where I'm at. He's learning.
 

TheDMC

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How come his defensive stats are well ahead of Johnson's?

And if you are going to drop anybody surely you have to have a better replacement waiting.

Or do you know something we don't?:sarcasm:

Hate to even have a smidgen of agreement with Iron Myth, but The Chad is pretty atrocious on defense. Far worse than Johnson. Regardless of the what the stats say, always loads of extra meters and very quick play of the ball when Chad is the main tackler. Stats just don't account for that.

Saying that, he is doing okay overall is the Chad.
 

Iron Lion

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How come his defensive stats are well ahead of Johnson's?

And if you are going to drop anybody surely you have to have a better replacement waiting.

Or do you know something we don't?:sarcasm:

Lolohea, give him the no6 jersey and let him show what he has got. If Townsend can have 2 seasons at the warriors after getting limited game time at the sharks then Lolohea deserves a shot at being more than a running fulling back. Let him show us what he had in the u20's, a ton of creativity.

Honestly what do the Warriors have to lose? and before you shoot him down, you dont know what he can provide until he is given a fair shot. I see a lot of the Paul brothers in this kid. I think given a true shot he could make every post the winner.

How can Cappy go from saying he is a real footballer this kid and we got to have in the starting line up somewhere to benching him. A lot doesnt stack up. wonder if Iro is setting himself up for a run at the head coaching position lol.
 

Fufu Andronez

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I'd like to see Tui get his shot at 6 if Chad announces he is off at the end of the year. He's already shown with his willingness in defence that he will give it a red hot go, great kid.
 
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As it is what Havili has done isn't exactly worse than Friend anyway.

- I dunno maybe he's numerous chances to make himself a solidified 1st Grader
- He always passes hardly takes on the line to put his markers/defenders in 2 minds
- He is slow like Friend but at least Friend has an excuse for being at the end of his career
- How long has it been since he graduated and never kicked on?

- Chews gum on the field (Does any other player do this? Is it regulation to have mouth guards etc?)

I don't know he looks like he has no hunger in him. I feel his attitude lacks for 1st grade and if he is bitter because he has been down in the pecking order. F.O to the ESL
 

Fast Eddie

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- I dunno maybe he's numerous chances to make himself a solidified 1st Grader
- He always passes hardly takes on the line to put his markers/defenders in 2 minds
- He is slow like Friend but at least Friend has an excuse for being at the end of his career
- How long has it been since he graduated and never kicked on?

- Chews gum on the field (Does any other player do this? Is it regulation to have mouth guards etc?)

I don't know he looks like he has no hunger in him. I feel his attitude lacks for 1st grade and if he is bitter because he has been down in the pecking order. F.O to the ESL

It has to be off field or intangiable stuff because most of those don't address the on field performance. I don't think there was a discernable difference between him and Friend. I agree he should run more, the few runs he did make were very effective, one was a clean line break that should have set up a try if it wasn't for some bad work by the outside player. In the end they decided to go with the equal who is retiring at the end of the season over the 22 year old they have under contract for next season, so he must be pretty bad behind the scenes I guess.
 

Iron Lion

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It has to be off field or intangiable stuff because most of those don't address the on field performance. I don't think there was a discernable difference between him and Friend. I agree he should run more, the few runs he did make were very effective, one was a clean line break that should have set up a try if it wasn't for some bad work by the outside player. In the end they decided to go with the equal who is retiring at the end of the season over the 22 year old they have under contract for next season, so he must be pretty bad behind the scenes I guess.

I think it's ridiculous that Cappy has him in for 2 games then out. What was the purpose of that? - Its evident that Halvili hit his growth curve, very little improvement over the last 2 seasons, it would appear for all intensive purposes he will only ever be a NSW cup standard player unless he went to a Storm, Dragons or Roosters where they drilled him to greater success. The only players that make it at the Warriors are the mentally strong ones who already know how to play, not one's that need that much coaching.

Halvili could become something of a player at a club that will bust and break him to make it. Warriors just dont have that DNA - they need to spend massive money just to have some kind of Marquee player.

It was the Daniel Anderson era that gave us true genuine home built marquee players like Toopi, Meli, Jones, Villsanti, Faumuina, Hohaia, Webb, Seuseu, PJ Marsh, Lauitiiti emerging to prominence. Anderson was a son of a bi$ch with laying the law down and the players rose to the occassion.

You just feel Cappy is way to nice a guy - punishes them by dropping them, not by manning them up
 
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JJ

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Wow, Villsanti, home built and marque in the same sentence - new heights of absurdity IL (not to mention Marsh, Webb etc) :lol:
 

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