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Team v Titans- where the hell do we go to from here?

Cold Roses

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Vete, Afoa and Lino all named in ISP, so looks like Roach, Gavet, Lisone and Sao on the bench with Hingano as 18th man.
 
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people got all excited about us having the kiwi spine but they forgot about the extra effort players make when playing for their country... and they are usualy one off games. not a 26 week season.
Plus, that spine used to operate behind a good pack full of players like JT, Marty Kapow, and Jesse B.

So put that spine behind our powderpuff pack and you can see the difference. we are shit. I wish it wasnt the case as i wont support another team. Which means i am stuck in this recurring nightmare for god knows how long.....

The funny thing is we haven't even had the chance to give our spine a go. With all these injuries occurring at the wrong time it really hasn't helped the coach, team and fans as a collective to really gauge fairly on where we are at.

I will judge after we field our strongest team with a healthy spine and Big Ben returning

We are prejudging too soon
 

JJ

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I've been not getting the automatic selection of Bodene for a while now, imo he's much like Ayshford -except worse in some respects because his defence often disappears. Plus it means we end up with just two middle forwards that offer any punch with the ball (one if Gubb continues to be selected - people criticise Bull but I strill think he's good). SURELY shifting Mannering to an edge and playing another prop or Afoa in the middle gives us better go forward? Obviously there needs to be defensive accountability too, but FFS this is NRL first grade not under 12s - they need to absorb pressure
 

Penrose Warrior

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this

And it must be bloody soul crushing for him, by the way.

Glad someone else feels the way I do. And yeah absolutely it would've been a difficult transition for him, but hey he's actually lucky to have a job. He's not a head coach's backside, and was very lucky to be able to keep a spot at the club and not have to uplift his family. He shouldn't be in that role, fullstop. I cannot think of another situation in sport or business where a head coach/manager/CEO whatever has been fired from that role but allowed to remain in a position of responsibility below a new leader.
 

Penrose Warrior

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Bodene, to me, would be absolutely fine in a good side. But I see no interest from him in being a leader or working hard to set a standard. He does some good things, mainly on attack, then has moments of sheer laziness on D. I could say the same about Luke. They might talk a decent game, and Issac in particular was great in a go-forward Bunnies side, but in a side going back they wave the white flag.

Happy to see Tui dropped, but Aysh in a position he's seldom if ever played at NRL level? I'm hoping him and Fus are swapped by game time.
 
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The funny thing is we haven't even had the chance to give our spine a go. With all these injuries occurring at the wrong time it really hasn't helped the coach, team and fans as a collective to really gauge fairly on where we are at.

I will judge after we field our strongest team with a healthy spine and Big Ben returning

We are prejudging too soon

While I agree in part, but to me it's been effort that has been lacking.
Being first to the ball, getting back in the line after you tackle a player, following guys when they make a break etc.
Gavet showed a lot of people up last game, what someone who wants to be out there and giving it all.
Not all are guilty, but it feels like a majority or the situation of "he is trying so why should I"
Unprofessional.
 
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mikeob

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Johnson's stats 2016 & 17'
http://commentaryboxsports.com/australian/nrl/johnsons-stats-provide-smackdown-daley.html

As a solution to the Warriors’ woes, ex-Raiders legend Laurie Daley called for Shaun Johnson to be benched or dropped altogether onNRL 360.

What a ridiculous suggestion.

Genuine consistency has never been Johnson’s long suit, but he is not even in the conversation of the biggest problems with the Warriors so far this season.

The No.7 was head and shoulders above his struggling teammates on Sunday against the Dragons, making a line-break, running for 122 metres, laying on their only second-half try, and generally being at the centre of anything that looked remotely dangerous.

In four games this season, Johnson has two tries (equal 1st amongst halfbacks), three line-breaks (1st), three try-assists (equal 3rd), 11 tackle-breaks (4th) and is averaging 95.8 metres (2nd) and 16.3 tackles (equal 6th) a game – all while playing behind a pack that’s getting monstered every week.

All that despite playing in a team with a disrupted and out-of-form spine, and a backline that can’t run the right lines or catch the ball to capitalise on the opportunities he’s creating.

There’s a number of Warriors who could do with a stint in reserve grade.

Johnson isn’t one of them.

Johnson has been an easy target for years, and was considered by many to have had a poor year in 2016, with criticism that he “didn’t run enough” at the heart of the largely misguided rhetoric.

The Warriors talisman finished the year with 10 tries (2nd for halfbacks), 15 line-breaks (1st), 18 try assists (4th), 62 tackle breaks (1st), and an average of 67.1 running metres (3rd). He also finished third in the NRL for line dropouts forced.

If those aren’t the numbers of a player that is doing more than his share to lift his erratic team that lays a platform for him sporadically at best, then rugby league statistics are officially redundant.
 

Penrose Warrior

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Kudos to that writer, spot on.

Would it be unprecented for a guy of SJ's ability - and whether or not people agree with it, he won a Golden Boot - to go his whole career in a crap side? Has there ever been anyone who finished their career and people said gee, I wonder if he could've been elite given a better side? SJ is heading that way. Rookie year we saw his talents, since then he's had shit coaches and poorly run management/club environment.
 

SpaceMonkey

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no tui. penny finally dropped.

It dropped a fortnight ago to be fair but he kept getting reprieves via injury.

Kudos to that writer, spot on.

Would it be unprecented for a guy of SJ's ability - and whether or not people agree with it, he won a Golden Boot - to go his whole career in a crap side? Has there ever been anyone who finished their career and people said gee, I wonder if he could've been elite given a better side? SJ is heading that way. Rookie year we saw his talents, since then he's had shit coaches and poorly run management/club environment.

It took seven seasons until we got to see Stacey Jones play finals football remember. it's not unprecedented even with us!
 
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Leber

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Don't get the bunty drop... he's been solid. Also, gubb is t a starter and maumalo isn't a first grader.
Still, need decent wingers and matulino bavk before any sparks will fly
 

One Warrior

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Johnson's stats 2016 & 17'
http://commentaryboxsports.com/australian/nrl/johnsons-stats-provide-smackdown-daley.html

As a solution to the Warriors’ woes, ex-Raiders legend Laurie Daley called for Shaun Johnson to be benched or dropped altogether onNRL 360.

What a ridiculous suggestion.

Genuine consistency has never been Johnson’s long suit, but he is not even in the conversation of the biggest problems with the Warriors so far this season.

The No.7 was head and shoulders above his struggling teammates on Sunday against the Dragons, making a line-break, running for 122 metres, laying on their only second-half try, and generally being at the centre of anything that looked remotely dangerous.

In four games this season, Johnson has two tries (equal 1st amongst halfbacks), three line-breaks (1st), three try-assists (equal 3rd), 11 tackle-breaks (4th) and is averaging 95.8 metres (2nd) and 16.3 tackles (equal 6th) a game – all while playing behind a pack that’s getting monstered every week.

All that despite playing in a team with a disrupted and out-of-form spine, and a backline that can’t run the right lines or catch the ball to capitalise on the opportunities he’s creating.

There’s a number of Warriors who could do with a stint in reserve grade.

Johnson isn’t one of them.

Johnson has been an easy target for years, and was considered by many to have had a poor year in 2016, with criticism that he “didn’t run enough” at the heart of the largely misguided rhetoric.

The Warriors talisman finished the year with 10 tries (2nd for halfbacks), 15 line-breaks (1st), 18 try assists (4th), 62 tackle breaks (1st), and an average of 67.1 running metres (3rd). He also finished third in the NRL for line dropouts forced.

If those aren’t the numbers of a player that is doing more than his share to lift his erratic team that lays a platform for him sporadically at best, then rugby league statistics are officially redundant.
Yeah somebody tell Mark Watson, I was unfortunate enough to hear him ranting about Johnson on Radio Sport this afternoon.
 

TheDMC

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Yeah somebody tell Mark Watson, I was unfortunate enough to hear him ranting about Johnson on Radio Sport this afternoon.

Article is spot on except the writer saying that complaints about Johnson not running enough last season was misguided rhetoric. I felt like I spent most of last season yelling at him on the telly to take on the fricken line.
 

Rich102

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Agree. He is so much better this season.
However the results don't show it.
 

Shaun Hewitt

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No matter who was dropped, not everyone would agree with.

This season, I dunno. I'm just actually over it.
Kearney being coach was my biggest concern, and still is.
Foran was always a risk, we knew this when we signed him.

What gets me is, in every interview I hear, from Lillyman, to Kearney, to Hoffman. It's always the same kind of bullshit lines "We're not far from clicking" "there were improvements in that game". f**k right off

The only really good thing to take out of the Dragons game was Shaun Johnson showed heart, he looked like a threat. Daley can suck a chode.

We need to learn to tackle, our forwards need heart. Our backs need to run the ball at speed forward. WTF was the pass from Maumolo (i think) to RTS from the kick. You had the ball, just run the bugger up!
We need to learn to catch.

So many things went fundamentally wrong against the Dragons. If we were playing a better team, that could easily have gotten ugly.
 

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