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Team vs Roosters??

playdaball

Bench
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I'm not sure how Mr Elliot will react but can't see him making too many changes?

I suppose Billy T will come in for Manu? No other real choices, so much for building depth.

Maybe Henry or Gubb in for Steve Rapira?

Would they bring in Mara or start with Godinet? Will SJ be fit to play?

i think he'll name a 22 man squad and drop players out depending on injuries and form at practice.
 
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Has to start Godinet or Mara at 9.
Only reason not to is if Johnson out and Godinet at 9.
Steve Rapira has to be dropped if he wants people to have to prove themselves.
Hurrell also maybe looking at Vulcans till he can tackle and defend, prob is can Ropo do any better on D.
 

Aragorn

First Grade
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Hurrell on the wing, bring in Mannering to centre, drop Johnson to the bench, Taylor can go back to lock & pop in Godinet & Mara.

Elliot needs to stand up and make a statement. Going with the same formula will not work so he needs to take a risk and plug the gaps.

Fullback spot is a big worry. Locke is not an 80min quality full back of nrl standard. Give Carlos a go.
 
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Fullback spot is a big worry. Locke is not an 80min quality full back of nrl standard. Give Carlos a go.

Call me craze but Ropo made a pretty good fullback in the few goes he had.
I personally don't see Elliot changing to much of the 6,7,1. He could play around with 9 since Friend is the long term option.
Major issue from game was fitness and defense in middle.
Hard to tie up the ball when you getting penalised for it.
 

Abdullah

Juniors
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I agree also for Mannering move into centre, he was not effective in forwards, Laumape in for Vatuvei (please no more Toupou), Mara on bench for Taylor, Godinet to start, Henry in to take Mannering's place in pack.

1. Locke
2. Fish (last chance Fishy)
3. Nielsen
4. Mannering
5. Laumape
6. Luluai
7. Johnson (hey kid, wakeup)
8. Rapira (toughen up maate)
9. Godinet
10. Matulino
11. Mateo (you too wakeup and earn your money punk)
12. Henry
13. Lowrie


14. Sebastine
15. Mara
16. Lillyman
17. J Palavi
 

SpaceMonkey

Immortal
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Fullback spot is a big worry. Locke is not an 80min quality full back of nrl standard. Give Carlos a go.

He was in 2011- whats changed? I didn't think he was that bad TBH, it's pretty hard to look good at FB when everyone in front of you is playing like a busted arse.
 

Iafeta

Referee
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I've only seen this on replay, as I was at a wedding last inght in a state of apopletic shock getting score updates on nrlstats.com.au. So I'm watching the replay as I write this.

My thoughts, and then I'll get to the team...

* Johnson seemed to heavily favour the left edge, which was unfortunate, as early on there was a couple of times when Hurrell and Fisiiahi could be on be to something. There was one play they went out the back, it was a pity the pass wasn't accurate from Locke, because Hurrell had acres of space. Another one they go to the left and there's space again, but Leuluai's pass was very poor.
* Penalties. The ruck speed from both mobs was quite slow. Why the Warriors were getting penalised was that they were coming up with the hand on the ball. They've had a whole off season to get that right, they were flogged on it in the Brisbane trial, and it still happened here.
* The Sandow try, Lowrie got caught flat footed. Even as the ruck was being played he was walking like a snail.
* The Hayne try, the only error was Leuluai's contact probably wasn't high enough.
* The chaseon Sio from the Leuluai bomb was a disgrace. I read an article from Elijah Taylor where he talked about how he'd watched Cameron Smith and the big thing he'd learned was he didn't over do the chasing of kicks. Cringeworthy quote. Seemed like the rest of the team felt the same.
* Johnson at times seemed to be playing with the backline far too flat. It didn't seemed like the organisation from Johnson was crash hot. I wonder whether if he plays 6 and Leuluai plays 7 things might change a bit.
* Feleti. Felt he was trying to over do things a bit.
* Unbelievably poor chase from the Warriors to allow Cheyse Blair out of the in goal. Good kick from Johnson, they deserved to get punished for that effort. And they did. They were out on their feet on that set, but they got themselves in that state by being pathetically lazy on the kick chase.
* Probably the one thing I'd like to see more of from Fisiiahi and Hurrell, given their athletic strengths, is getting more involved off a first or second tackle coming in to the centre part of the field, or taking an early run out of dummy half.
* Locke and the wings got lucky a couple of times - they could easily have given up 40/20s. Didn't seem too aware of Sandow's tactics.
* Taylor, a dumb play to give away a shoulder play penalty. What an idiot.
* Not saying Taylor did a terrible job, but Godinet gave them spark when he came on. IMO, Godinet and Mara need to be playing dummy half, it just means the halves get the ball quicker when they need it, and the forwards get the ball in the bread basket nice and flat. Taylor's pass is slightly slow.
* Glory boy Johnson needs to kick through the ball more when he kicks, the miss off Lillyman's try was poor
* In the set where Neilsen scores, they dead set bomb a try two tackles before, but the play for Neilsen to score is a very nice play.

Frankly I know what happens from that point on and didn't watch the rest.

Positives, Ikahihifo was good going forward (one or two cheap errors though). He's going to be a good player. Correct a few of the baiscs (backline positioning on a spread, kick chase, not putting the hand on the ball as a player gets off his feet) and they'll get better.

Team for me

1 Locke
2 Fisiiahi
3 Neisen
4 Hurrell
5 Tupou
6 Leuluai
7 Johnson (though I'd really like the halves to change spots)
8 Lillyman - while Sam Rapira gets back his match fitness
9 Mara
10 Matulino
11 Mateo
12 Mannering (c)
13 Lowrie

Taylor
Godinet
Ikahihifo (he could do a shift in the front row I reckon, he's bulked up enough to do it)
Sam Rapira
 

Aragorn

First Grade
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Iafeta, you going to pick the same team when we lose +20 against the roosters this weekend?

how is it last years wooden spooners can pile on 40 points against us & the other wooden spoon team can dish out a +20 point win against a finalist team in the raiders yet we`ve shown zero improvement in the off season?????

we`re a 60min team right now. maybe we should look to hire khoder nasser and see if he can cut the games early like he did with SBW.
 

Iafeta

Referee
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Its not the same team for a start. Vatuvei out obviously, a new hooking combination, and one of the benchies gone. The things for me were the lack of fluency in the halves, we created a number of overlaps particularly to Hurrell's edge but couldn't get the ball to him... poor kick chase, and those early penalties where we kept putting a hand on the ball in the ruck. They should be fixable. I don't know if changing personnel achieves that, changing attitudes and habits would do it better IMO.

I didn't see the game after the second try, I didn't really see the point in watching the replay after that point.
 

Fufu Andronez

First Grade
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If Manu is out then I'd be leaning towards giving laumape a shot, I think he earned the right to be next in line if an injury occurs.

With Godinet starting as hooker I reckon it gives us a lot more balance on the bench.


14. Taylor
15. Lillyman
16. Rapira/Gubb/ikahihifo
17. Ropati


We looked so slow against the eels made them look like a Ferrari. Also in regards to the FB position I think Locke is definitely the best option there, not his best game against the eels but then again who did play good against the eels.


We created a few half breaks down manus wing while he was off so that's a good sign for when he's back to convert those chances right? :?
 

Aragorn

First Grade
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I didnt see Ropo in the Vulcans line up - thus I suspect he`s injured along with half the squad.

I guess we have to bring back LakeTaupo.
 

tangalife

Juniors
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I would be keen to make a few changes , based on that performance (and 2011 performances) but I think its too early to be making too many changes and ruining cohesion in the team. I think we should persist with our lineup for one or two more games.

People in the spotlight to perform: Hurrell, Fish, Johnson, Taylor, St Rapira
 
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1. Locke
2. Fish
3. Nielsen
4. Peyroux
5. Hurrell
6. Thomans
7. Johnson
8. Rapira
9. Godinet
10. Matulino
11. Mateo
12. Mannering
13. Lowrie

14. Sebastine
15. Taylor
16. Lillyman
17. S Rapira
 

ozbash

Referee
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Johnson seemed to heavily favour the left edge

he shouldn't have been there at all. 10th minute he copped a knock to the arm/elbow that basically put him out for the rest of the game.

If they play him this weekend, it should be off the bench with Pita starting at 7 ??
 

vvvrulz

Coach
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Godinet or Mara are an absolute must at #9, Taylor wasn't exactly awful but he has an average pass and rarely makes any metres himself out of dummy half like Hendo/Heremaia/Gatis used to back in the day.

That's the only weak link, we have the squad just not the attitude.
 

Warmess

Juniors
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870
1. Locke
2. Fish
3. Hurrell
4. Neilsen
5. Laumape
6. Godinet
7. Johnson
8. Rapira
9. Leuluai
10. Matulino
11. Mannering
12. Mateo
13. Lowrie

14. Mara
15. Ikahihifo
16. Lillyman
17. Gubb

Won't be anything near what gets named, but it's what I'd go with.
 

maddest_kiwi

Juniors
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6 Leuluai
7 Johnson (though I'd really like the halves to change spots)

I've maintained that SJ is not a 7 on this forum for a while now. He lacks the composure and organizational skills to direct the team consistently for a whole 80min. Though that may change in time...
 

vvvrulz

Coach
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I've maintained that SJ is not a 7 on this forum for a while now. He lacks the composure and organizational skills to direct the team consistently for a whole 80min. Though that may change in time...

I know what you mean, when the going gets tough SJ seems to just hide and huge gaps down the middle open up. I was quite keen on the Mateo/Johnson halves combo personally but TL seems to know what he is doing.
 

Warmess

Juniors
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870
Since 2012 SJ has looked really rushed when he gets the ball. I remember in the Cleary era he seemed like he had more time, and his best work came off the back of that. That seems to be going on all over the place with us though, we look really rushed and have no real structure.
 

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