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The 2013/2014 Off Season Thread

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Sorry, dude, but it's actually one of the things that really gives me the shits.

Oh, now that you've had time to go and actually look at something you can make a non-general comment. Nice. Pity it took you a day to be able to do it instead of being able to do it off the top of your head, which would have been the case if you weren't just parroting the leftoids.

How about how debt is growing as % of GDP? Canada's forecast is for half ours, with Germany actually shrinking their debt.

Projected Government spending increases? Denmark and The Netherlands essentially 0%, Germany a third of ours, Canada two-thirds.

These are the comparisons we should be making with others OECD countries because it shows where we are going, which is what we should be focused on.

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I''m cool with you (or everyone) thinking I'm a rude arsehole but this is one of those comments that is constantly made by people who don't have a clue what they're talking about and are just billboarding for the sake of whinging. As such, its why I get the shits and become a rude arsehole.

f**kING GAME DAY, MOTHERf**kERS!!!


Would you care to cite the source of the data in the assertions above?

You wouldn't be referring to 2nd had citations from the IMF staff report Feb this year? The one that Aussie Joe selectively quoted.

If you read the report, the debt growth statistics to which your refer are measured from 2012 to 2018. Part of the 'forecast' growth in Aust. govt net debt has already occurred, and the IMF's forecast for medium term (2018) level of net debt is a little under 20%, still less than half of that of every country referred to above (Germany, Canada, US,UK....you name it). So, the story is this. We started from a low base, had a significant increase in debt, which has still left us at a low level of debt, and there is projected to be very moderate growth in debt from now to 2018. And I quote the report (p.24) 'General government debt will increase moderately...but will remain amongst the lowest in advanced economies'. The rate of growth in debt is relevant only in the context of the level of debt.

As I've now said three times re spending. I do not disagree that we need to constrain spending. I disagree with all this crap about a debt crisis. And I ain't parroting some left wing think tank. The IMF report is the very report that Hockey uses highlight the alleged problem. Or is Joe allowed to use the data, but nobody else?

And I repeat, I have no idea what your qualifications, knowledge or experience are, but I'm aware of mine, and I don't think I fit the description of someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.
 
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OECD Country Report 2014, I think. Could be the one Hockey is referring to but I don't know what he is using so couldn't say.

And once again, I actually don't give a shit what other countries are doing, I just don't want to be paying $30bn/year in interest - I'd prefer to be spending that on services - especially if we're still running deficits (which would mean borrowing to pay interest).

I don't think there's a crisis, either, but my point is that I don't want there to be one (and I would consider $30bn/year in interest to be a f**king crisis no matter what any other country is paying).

So, once again, ad nauseam...f**k every other country. People comparing our %debt to other countries' debts are totally missing the point and have no clue. I want our money spent on sustainable services not a massive f**king interest bill. If people are complaining about cuts now imagine when we're paying $30bn/year in interest?

I'm not going to be happy to lose only one leg because some other f**kwit lost both his. There may not be a debt crisis but there sure as hell is a looming leg crisis! Say NO to the Leg Deficit!
 

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The 'debt crisis' talk as the same thing as the AGW alarmist rhetoric - the problem is exaggerated so it doesn't become a crisis.
 
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So, once again, ad nauseam...f**k every other country. People comparing our %debt to other countries' debts are totally missing the point and have no clue. I want our money spent on sustainable services not a massive f**king interest bill. If people are complaining about cuts now imagine when we're paying $30bn/year in interest?

I'm not going to be happy to lose only one leg because some other f**kwit lost both his. There may not be a debt crisis but there sure as hell is a looming leg crisis! Say NO to the Leg Deficit!

With respect, you started your previous post by raising the an issue related to the other countries, so I replied., and the rhetoric explaining the seriousness of the current problem has be argued in terms of comparisons to other countries (by both sides of the debate).

It's not as simple as stating that more debt is bad. It might be. Sometimes what you do with the funds raised justifies the debt incurred. Obvious examples are well thought out infrastructure investments. Less obvious are cases of stimulus spending aimed at avoiding (or softening) a likely recession. While you increase your future interest bill (obviously), there is an associated benefit in terms of protecting corporate and personal income levels and the taxes derived thereon. In some cases you are better off taking on debt now, protecting your sources of revenue, than letting things go to shit, and having to either borrow or raises tax rates in the future. Now, it doesn't always play out like that...but the risks/rewards of government borrowing (and the disposition of the funds borrowed) are not as simple as the amount of extra interest payable.

Have a good one.
 

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