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The 2013/2014 Off Season Thread

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Gronk

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I absolutely agree with the idealistic simpleton statement. Leftoids live in marshmallow unicorn land, where wishes and dreams power everything and fairies dance with leprechauns on moonbeams. It's hilarious.

More egotistical jockeying, whist offering zero substance to the issue.

What ? The middle aged white guy from the conservative right gives a crap about climate change, refugees etc. What a surprise. Just as long as you're all right, is all that matters.

Is it just me or do others notice that all merkins on the right of centre are arrogant, selfish pricks ?
 

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Matraville & Malabar ?
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More egotistical jockeying, whist offering zero substance to the issue.

Here's my substance, if you want to call it that:

Firstly, we ask the question of whether we should have a refugee program? The answer is absolutely yes and anyone who says differently is a f**kstick who should be ignored.

Now, having answered that I look at the problem in a logical, sustainable fashion.

What are our responsibilities once we take a refugee? Food, clothing and shelter are the three basics, obviously. However, many refugees will have language problems so they will need education there. Children will need education in general. Many adult refugees will need to be trained and given job skills, so they can become self-sufficient. On top of this are general health issues but especially psychological counseling due to the fact that a lot originate from f**ked up shitholes where they have been through horrific shit.

In summary: money, and lots of it.

Now this is cool. The reason we should be taking refugees is because we can afford it, so paying the money to do this stuff is a perfectly acceptable way to spend my taxes.

However, because it involves money and therefore needs to be budgeted it must immediately come with a cap, a quota. Failure to set a quota and stick to it means the system becomes unsustainable and we lose the ability to do long term good.

As such, similarly to those who would state we shouldn't take refugees at all, those who argue against a quota are dickfaces that should immediately be ignored forevermore.

Now, having established that we need a quota, it is a logical extension that we need to control this ourselves. This means no boats. You can't have a sustainable, controllable quota system if other people are deciding when they come here. So, no boats.

This way, we are able to bring refugees from regional centres in a timely, orderly manner consistent with our ability to meet their needs once here and in a manner that fills our quota spread out across the entire year.

Under this system no one drowns at sea, criminal organisations do not make millions, no one languishes in our offshore detention centres, genuine refugees are still brought into Australia and the costs are minimal to the Australian people. With these things in mind, the system is sustainable across the long term and does maximum good.

Furthermore, we do not waste time and money on economic refugees, spots are not taken by non-genuine refugees and the ones who get our spots are those who have genuinely fled atrocities and not those simply looking for a better job.

Here's some articles regarding the "refugees" already taken back to Sri Lanka. Please note these articles are from the ABC and SMH, so they're not evil lies spread by Rupert Murdoch, the spawn of Satan:

http://www.smh.com.au/world/asylum-seekers-face-court-in-sri-lanka-20140708-3bkrg.html#ixzz36uIjYqQ0

"I went [to] Australia to find employment and then settle and bring my wife and family."

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2014/s4042088.htm

This man says his son and other relatives were just trying to get work.

http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politic...key-role-in-smuggling-bid-20140708-3blbe.html

Another passenger, M.G. Sumanadasa, 59, a stonemason, said he was told he was going to New Zealand.
?I got on board to earn more money and to have a family house in New Zealand."

These are not political refugees fleeing persecution, Gronk. They are economic refugees wanting a better job and if we let them in they take the spot of a genuine refugee.

Now we come to the part where we are being labelled cruel etc. I don't like it but I understand that the short term pain will bring long term sustainability that will benefit the largest number of people who are genuine refugees.

So, clamp down f**king hard, f**king early and we'll end up with a sustainable system in the shortest possible time.

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So, there's my "substance", if you want to call it that.

My system stops people drowning, stops criminals making millions from the suffering of others, means no one languishes in Nauru or Manus Island, minimises the cost to the Australian people over the long term and eliminates economic refugees stealing spots from those who genuinely need them.

It is rational and sustainable.

Your bullshit is whimsical fairy, bleeding heart, unsustainable, cruel bullshit that lets people drown while criminals make millions from their suffering.

Who's the real humanitarian?

You're just a typical leftoid who is more concerned with shaking your fist at a conservative party so you can selfishly hijack morality for your own ego. You are a blight upon humanity and your kind are to be ignored.
 

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HJ, that is spot on, not that any of the soy latte , eastern suburbs , bleeding hearts, as long as they don't live near Me brigade will agree :)

Let's just keep going a la lunatic left economics that got the country into the mess dictate, oops how dare a person who doesn't agree with the trendy left have an opinion
 

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I'm all for the greater good. When I see what has happened to countries like France, Germany and England I can understand why the Libs have taken this stance. I like what the Scandanavian countries do: sign here, now here is your cheque, now go and don't come back.
 

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You're just a typical leftoid who is more concerned with shaking your fist at a conservative party so you can selfishly hijack morality for your own ego. You are a blight upon humanity and your kind are to be ignored.

You know I was reading your post with an open mind. A post that offered perhaps an alternative view that should receive due and respectful consideration.

Then I read the above. You do little to convince anyone to take you seriously. <shakes head>

Ironically, your post was in response to mine which said in part..

Is it just me or do others notice that all merkins on the right of centre are arrogant, selfish pricks ?
 
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You know I was reading your post with an open mind. A post that offered perhaps an alternative view that should receive due and respectful consideration.

Then I read the above. You do little to convince anyone to take you seriously. <shakes head>

Ironically, your post was in response to mine which said in part..


So you ignore it because your ego is hurt?

All that does is prove my statement about the left. It's all self-absorbed moral superiority and nothing else.
 

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Look everyone....
The more we let in the lower our standards of living become.Why? cause they are happy too work for less. Ive worked for myself for 8 yrs. I see it happening.Ive watched manufacturing die. Companies go broke. Now we have all the irish backpackers stealing our work.Again lowering our standard of living. Something the government should stop.
The reason they don't? Cause they want to drop our standard of living.The poor get poorer and the rich get richer. When you don't have any money and you need to fight to survive you don't have time too think so the Ba$tards can control you.

Anyhows the world isn't perfect but if it makes you feel better to let a few in then so be it.If you want to give to charity cause it makes you feel good about yourself so be it. But if you want to tell other people they should think the same way as you than go F$$k yourself.Know one will control my thoughts and say im right or wrong.

Funny most people cant see what is actually happening thou.
 

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So you ignore it because your ego is hurt?

All that does is prove my statement about the left. It's all self-absorbed moral superiority and nothing else.


Hollywood use are both right and both wrong. Everyone has the right to think the way they want.How you are raised and people you have met in your life will make you think more towards one way than another.
The important thing is too accept other people think differently than you and too listen to there reasons.Cause sometimes it helps you see things in a different light.
Anyhows what are we even talking about I forget already ? I just thought of a good name for a porn star.Lord jingleballs.
 

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Hollywood use are both right and both wrong. Everyone has the right to think the way they want.How you are raised and people you have met in your life will make you think more towards one way than another.
The important thing is too accept other people think differently than you and too listen to there reasons.Cause sometimes it helps you see things in a different light.
Anyhows what are we even talking about I forget already ? I just thought of a good name for a porn star.Lord jingleballs.

I can confirm that "Lord Jingleballs iz in da house 4" is my favourite of the series.
 

Gary Gutful

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You know I was reading your post with an open mind. A post that offered perhaps an alternative view that should receive due and respectful consideration.

Then I read the above. You do little to convince anyone to take you seriously. <shakes head>

Ironically, your post was in response to mine which said in part..

Yes, HJ was harsh in what he said about you. However, putting that aside, what do you think of the views that he put forward?

It provided the most substance I have seen to date. I would welcome your equally well considered views.
 
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I have no problem with a system of intercepting boats, processing the occupants in humane and decent conditions (whether onshore or offshore), trying to sort out the risk-takers from the genuine applicants and proceeding accordingly. I do have a problem with sending people directly to the country from which they claim they are fleeing....if that is in fact a claim that they make. You might have a boat on which 95% are simply seeking a better life (and who can blame them for trying?), but the I'd want to be very careful about engineering a situation in which an applicant with a genuine claim is returned to the regime from which they are running. This obviously costs money, but we're stuck with that to some extent. I'm also uncomfortable with the way that some aspects of the current and earlier policies have, on occasion, promoted in such a way as to give succour to racists...even if the policies are not designed with that in mind. Anyway....it's not worth the personal abuse going on above....we're not six year olds.
 

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I'm also uncomfortable with the way that some aspects of the current and earlier policies have, on occasion, promoted in such a way as to give succour to racists...even if the policies are not designed with that in mind.

Without xenophobia you probably wouldn't be here. You certainly wouldn't be so prosperous.

It's a bit disingenuous for a collection of genes, such as you are, to start decrying the adaptive traits that led to your existence. Though it is interesting that it makes you (and so many others) uncomfortable.
 
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