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The 2014/15 Off Season Thread

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oldmancraigy

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This is what you say ALL the time.

Instead of me being entitled to have an opinion as to where by taxes should be spent (and I pay a shit load) your solution is that I should stop whining and take on the challenges of the underprivileged myself. LOL at your small minded darwinian conservatism concepts. You and HJ should get to know each other better. You two have more in common than you prolly think.

Gronk, not sure about your definition, but most people wouldn't consider $54/ year a whole lot :sarcasm:
 

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Lagavulin is my favourite of the standard retail single malts (I think Ray Donovan likes it too, so it must be for bad asses). Laphroaig is of similar style be a bit more 'in your face' and bit cheaper. I quite like the basic Talisker (which is cheaper) too, and less peaty.

My favourite single is Kardhu however I am quite partial to the more peatier singles and this fits the bill nicely.
 

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Politicians are an easy target for lazy thinkers. In a democracy there is nobody under greater constraints than politicians. Talk is cheap when in opposition but once in power there's very little they can do to effect change.

A key factor is that the economy and job market are extremely sensitive to tampering, and f**king around with tax just because you hate rich people and corporations always ends up hurting the little guy. The Venezuelan economy is a perfect (and hilarious) example of institutionalised 'compassion' (read: envy and resentment) driving productivity out of the country and leaving the peasantry destitute.

Are you suggesting I hate rich people ?

What about the huge corporations that are currently under investigation for not not paying their share of tax ?

They are not an easy target as the libs wont bite the hand that feeds and supports them so they target those with disabilities who cant fight back.

Nice people, they should grow a set and target those who dont pay tax, they would make a hell of a lot more money doing that than targeting the disabled.
 

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Are we approaching the end of days with all this conflict and emerging technology. Is the Antichrist already here? When will the boss return ? Will Casper post a weird picture in response to this ?
 

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Are we approaching the end of days with all this conflict and emerging technology. Is the Antichrist already here? When will the boss return ? Will Casper post a weird picture in response to this ?

One of my staff is Jehovah Witness. She reckons it's any day now.

I told her to let me know when, cos I'm going to pull out all my cash and head off to Vegas. When the rapture comes I intend to go out snorting coke off a hookers arse.

Who's in ?
 

Avenger

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One of my staff is Jehovah Witness. She reckons it's any day now.

I told her to let me know when, cos I'm going to pull out all my cash and head off to Vegas. When the rapture comes I intend to go out snorting coke off a hookers arse.

Who's in ?

That's the spirit.
 

carson

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Big corporations pay less tax because they operate on a global scale. They will always structure themselves to maximise returns while minimising tax.

Instead of wasting money investigating them the smarter approach would be to lower taxes, especially corporate tax, to a point where they will base their operations here. The benefits to the economy as a whole would be massive. This would then flow on to the rest of the community.

It is a bizarre concept for most people to grasp but you can actually increase government revenue by decreasing taxes.
 

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So it's all about good versus evil, is it? How f**king simplistic.

Well I guess Abbott's crew are evil but I wouldn't put it as simplistically as you did, more like very poor decision making by a desperate lazy government.
 

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Big corporations pay less tax because they operate on a global scale. They will always structure themselves to maximise returns while minimising tax.

Instead of wasting money investigating them the smarter approach would be to lower taxes, especially corporate tax, to a point where they will base their operations here. The benefits to the economy as a whole would be massive. This would then flow on to the rest of the community.

It is a bizarre concept for most people to grasp but you can actually increase government revenue by decreasing taxes.

Yeah that's what they were recommending at the G20.

PwC managing partner for tax and legal, Tom Seymour, said Australia could also grow the tax base by cutting the corporate tax rate from 30 per cent to 25 per cent in a bid to attract and retain more companies to operate in Australia.
Mr Seymour said a cut of that size would add 6.3 per cent or $590bn to Australian gross domestic product by 2050 ? or around $16bn a year. ?Tax competition between countries will always exist as nations will always fight to attract capital and jobs.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...066986859?nk=f34c9ca8c7f88ac6a121bedb454b4a26
 

Gronk

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Occupy Hong Kong. I wonder what Beijing will do ?

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Poupou Escobar

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Occupy Hong Kong. I wonder what Beijing will do ?

It's a fair question, and I reckon the whole world is watching keenly to find out. So far it looks like Beijing is hoping the protests fizzle out on their own. If the protests interfere too much with commerce the HK business community will drop their support quick smart.

If the protestors (only some of them is enough) lose patience and change to less peaceful methods they will lose everyone's support and Beijing will win again.

#DividedWeFall
 

TheParraboy

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Moi Moi v Gallan as an undercard boxing bout at a Daniel Geale fight in December

Could get ugly
 
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How about the conservatives learn a little about compassion to those less fortunate ?

You want to find the cash to look after the disabled ?

Mining subsidies top $4.5bn: Australia Institute


Firstly, nice work referencing an ABC article. They don't have any bias, do they?

Especially an article that comes from the Australia Institute. They don't have any bias, do they?

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And compassion? You know what's compassionate? A sustainable program of assistance from the government. If you had your way that would be dead in 5 seconds.

In short, you're a f**king braindead idiot, Gronk, who has no understanding of reality.

How the hell can you guys defend these inhumane dickheads.

If they were any good they manage things alot better than taking money from the disadvantaged. They are just an easy target for lazy pollys.

Once again, it's all about sustainability.

They didn't target "the disadvantaged". They targeted those area of spending that have unsustainable increases built into them (by the last government, which everyone knows was incompetent).

You're like Gronk, Twizzle: ignorant.
 
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Big corporations pay less tax because they operate on a global scale. They will always structure themselves to maximise returns while minimising tax.

Instead of wasting money investigating them the smarter approach would be to lower taxes, especially corporate tax, to a point where they will base their operations here. The benefits to the economy as a whole would be massive. This would then flow on to the rest of the community.

It is a bizarre concept for most people to grasp but you can actually increase government revenue by decreasing taxes.

In principle, yes. In practice, it's a lot more complicated. If the reduction in corp. tax rates does indeed have an effect on the 'base' of operations, it will be a delayed effect, until which you there will be significantly lower tax collections (obviously offset partly by the reduction in tax credits passed on to resident shareholders). Transfer pricing effects may kick in a bit sooner. For firms that would have to actually change their real operations to capture the lower tax rate (as opposed to service / software firms), they'll need convincing that the long-run tax rate will stay low.

And, all of this assumes that the countries where these cash cows are currently located will not respond to threat of losing their revenue by reducing their own taxes or providing other inducements to stay where they are.

And of course, there are other reasons why some firms base themselves or their SPVs elsewhere (e.g. lack of disclosure requirements).


So, while it sounds simple.....and it might work, significantly cutting the corp. tax rate comes with some significant downside risk.

And maximising returns doesn't always mean minimising tax (that's easy....don't earn anything). If your tax minimisation strategies affect your core operations detrimentally (i.e. through all the non-tax costs of actually doing part of your business in location X) you lose. After all, why is every firm in the world not based in the lowest tax regimes? The top marginal US corporate tax rate is higher than ours....plenty of firms are still based there.
 
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oldmancraigy

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It's a fair question, and I reckon the whole world is watching keenly to find out. So far it looks like Beijing is hoping the protests fizzle out on their own. If the protests interfere too much with commerce the HK business community will drop their support quick smart.

If the protestors (only some of them is enough) lose patience and change to less peaceful methods they will lose everyone's support and Beijing will win again.

#DividedWeFall

If I was Beijing I would continue to do nothing. It will have to fall apart soon enough you'd think? They can just leave Hong Kong on holiday mode for the next month and see what happens - eventually everyone else will get so sick of the students that they will vote for Beijings preferred man (if they put it to a vote to finish it off). Then they can just say 'see, told you so' to the rest of the world, and once again claim China rules all.

Of course, I hope the students win this whole thing.
 

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Once again, it's all about sustainability.

Its got nothing to do with sustainability at all, how can any type of welfare be sustainable ?

what a ridiculous thing to say

They didn't target "the disadvantaged". They targeted those area of spending that have unsustainable increases built into them (by the last government, which everyone knows was incompetent).

You're like Gronk, Twizzle: ignorant.

they targeted a minority group that has no resources to fight back and since when to you represent "everyone"

You're like Poups HJ: Arrogant
 
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