The 8th immortal?

[Mr Fourex]

TBH......I'd have Alfie before Meninga & Johns.

 

[perverse]

I can't accept your argument that Johns was without peer during his career.

He had to be shifted to Hooker for 10 of his 23 games for Australia to accommodate Geoff Toovey, Allan Langer and Brett Kimmorley.

That alone shows that he wasn't without peer.

And don't pull that condescending bullshit on me regarding my comments about Thompson. If you bothered to do any reading and talking to former players you'd know full f**king well what I was on about. Just because you're too lazy to do any of that isn't justification for you to call my opinion silly.

i said you waxed silly, as in waxing lyrical, as in you had a lot to say. take a deep breath and read it again, lol. i respect your opinion on anything rugby league history.

he was shifted to hooker because he was the best hooker we had available, and we had other halfbacks that were in form. it's a testament to his ability that he was able to play both positions at rep level. i'm sure you remember as well as i do that that when Johns was selected behind Kimmorley, that Johns was the star when on the field, not Kimmorley regardless of whether it was in the 9 or even the 14 jersey. when Johns was on the field, NSW did their damage. also unlike the players you have mentioned, Johns maintained the rage his entire career - at least when fit he was always Andrew Johns, and always a massive threat. you can microanalyze his game against any of the 3 you named and he is heads and shoulders above. rep selection really doesn't hold infinite weight when comparing players.

and you make a very poignant point, too. i have to read and research to know anything about Thompson, whereas Johns is the best almost anyone alive can remember seeing play. as far as immortals go, that holds a lot of weight in and of itself.

 

[Jack De Ripper]

The bloke who played 284 games for his club, 19 games for NSW, 14 games for Australia.

He captained/coached his team to 4 premierships as well as playing in 10 consecutive premiership winning teams.

The NSWRL already immortalised him with Arthur Summonds and the NRL/ARL named him in teh 2nd row of leagues Team of the Century.

He even took the Sharks to a Grand Final as coach.

 

[madunit]

I don't need to read it again, if he was peerless as you say, than Toovey would have played hooker and Johns would have been halfback.

truth is, he wasn't peerless like you said. That bullshit about him being the best available hooker at the time is nonsense that Knights fans drag up to justify the fact that he wasn't 'peerless'

Gower, Goddard, Hetherington, Buderus, Aaron Raper etc not good enough eh?

 

[typicalfan]

TBH......I'd have Alfie before Meninga & Johns.

Alfie wasn't without peer either. I thought Stuart played better than him in the green and gold for example and Sterlo and Mortimer hold as much weight as Alfie does. Meninga was a better captain imo. I agree Alf would be considered. IMO he did as much for QLD and the Broncos as Lockyer has done, maybe more and I think Lockyer would need to wait until Langer gets a gig first.

I wouldn't mind Johns, Lockyer or Alf. Johns and Alf at their best were amazing and Lockyers longevity and his games in the green and gold, especially at fullback are worthy of mention.

I think Mal will get it next.

 

[woodyk2]

Cliffy....easy.

 

[perverse]

I don't need to read it again, if he was peerless as you say, than Toovey would have played hooker and Johns would have been halfback.

truth is, he wasn't peerless like you said. That bullshit about him being the best available hooker at the time is nonsense that Knights fans drag up to justify the fact that he wasn't 'peerless'

Gower, Goddard, Hetherington, Buderus, Aaron Raper etc not good enough eh?

nope, none of those hookers were as good as Johns was in that position, and none of them were in as good a form as Toovey or Kimmorley were at the time. Kimmorley in particular was so red hot it was ridiculous, fitting them both in the team made perfect sense, and worked well too. you couldn't exactly play Kimmorley anywhere else, though.

 

[typicalfan]

Joey played at hooker because of his defense with his combination with Geoff Toovey.

 

[nqboy]

WTf is with the poll? Provan and Irvine so good they had to be mentioned twice? Who is Stirling?

Wasn't there an article the other day saying it btw Provan, Meninga, Johns, Fittler and Langer? Was that the real deal or some journos lazy-ass take on it?

Regardless, Provan and/or Messenger for mine.

 

[Loudstrat]

I'd have no problem with Lockyer becoming an Immortal in the class after Johns.

The two best players of the modern era should be there, in the rightful order.

Anyone who has seen a player better than Joey must have taken more drugs than Joey. Heather had about half his skills, and never took the line on nearly as much - hence his longer career.

Sterlo should get a gong before Heather. And so should Hindy.

 

[Frailty]

Why the argument?

It's clearly got to be Paul Gallen.

 

[RABK]

Meninga.

 

[TheDalek079]

WTf is with the poll? Provan and Irvine so good they had to be mentioned twice? Who is Stirling?

Sterlo was a typo, and i didn't realise that sticks and irvine were listed twice

 

[Saint Doc]

More the record Norm Provan appears twice in the poll and if you add them together is coming second behind Joey

 

[LESStar58]

I voted for Alfie but it will most likely go to Irvine, Coote, Barnes or Provan (who I never saw play) or they will do the blatantly obvious and give it to Johns. Sterling and Langer should be Immortals before that prat IMO.

 

[Bobby DIGital]

I can't accept your argument that Johns was without peer during his career.

He had to be shifted to Hooker for 10 of his 23 games for Australia to accommodate Geoff Toovey, Allan Langer and Brett Kimmorley.

That alone shows that he wasn't without peer.

That's a very good point Unit. Johns has also been straight up dropped from rep teams before. He also came off the bench for NSW in 2000 and only won 2 series at halfback - 03 & 05. And he only got picked in 05 due to injury.

 

[Charlie124]

Tim Moltzen

 

[Loudstrat]

I don't need to read it again, if he was peerless as you say, than Toovey would have played hooker and Johns would have been halfback.

truth is, he wasn't peerless like you said. That bullshit about him being the best available hooker at the time is nonsense that Knights fans drag up to justify the fact that he wasn't 'peerless'

Gower, Goddard, Hetherington, Buderus, Aaron Raper etc not good enough eh?

You have fogotten why.

Chris Anderson was test coach. He had said that Noddy - his lovechild, was going to be test half. From memory Junior Pearce was Blues coach, who thought it no point that Joey be half if he want going to be test half. So Junior played him at hooker to give him a shot at test footy that he deserved. Joey blitzed it.

To say it was because Joey wasnt the best half ignores the truth.

 

[Bobby DIGital]

he was shifted to hooker because he was the best hooker we had available, and we had other halfbacks that were in form. it's a testament to his ability that he was able to play both positions at rep level.

LOL wrong, wrong, wrong.

Remember the Anzac test in 99 when Johns only got called into the side cos the original hooker Gower showed some girl his wang in a pub?

 

[Mr Fourex]

Oh so it was Anderson's fault that Johns was 2nd best........:roll: