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Eion

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Yeah having video refs callng on forward passes was a shambles, and would be a disaster again. It's the whole floating forward thing after leaving the hands backwards. There are any number where it is simply impossible to tell.
 

unforgiven

Bench
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Its really simple, you should not be allowed to run behind a team mate who is actively involved in a play. Such as running a decoy or advancing towards the defence. This is fundamentally against the spirit of Rugby League.
 

adamkungl

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we had that and there were too many complaints so that's why it's the way it is now

And there are countless complaints now so damned if you do damned if you don't.
Big decisions shouldn't be made based on fans complaining, because it always goes both ways and there's a reason your average joe isn't in charge of anything important. It may very well be that this is the case and the games leaders believe this is the best way, so be it.

How are these even remotely the same concept?

All three are based around judging whether something or someone is behind/backwards based on an often awkward camera angle.

Yeah having video refs callng on forward passes was a shambles, and would be a disaster again. It's the whole floating forward thing after leaving the hands backwards. There are any number where it is simply impossible to tell.

We judge on all kinds of things that are impossible to tell every week.
 

TheVelourFog

First Grade
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Why should a defender have to account for a player running behind an offside player?
A decoy runner is offside and has absolutely no right to have any impact on the play, including making a defender make the wrong decision. These block plays are a plight on the game and i hope these rulings lead to teams trying other attacking plays.

what on earth are you on about? the ball was passed 10 metres outside him, no-one ran behind him
 

unforgiven

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And there are countless complaints now so damned if you do damned if you don't.
Big decisions shouldn't be made based on fans complaining, because it always goes both ways and there's a reason your average joe isn't in charge of anything important. It may very well be that this is the case and the games leaders believe this is the best way, so be it.



All three are based around judging whether something or someone is behind/backwards based on an often awkward camera angle.



We judge on all kinds of things that are impossible to tell every week.

There are many other factors in a forward pass, a forward pass is not about the ball travelling forward. Many legit passes travel forward which is where the difficulty arises.
 

simmo1

First Grade
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There are many other factors in a forward pass, a forward pass is not about the ball travelling forward. Many legit passes travel forward which is where the difficulty arises.

Everyone is aware of this. Not hard for a video ref to account for this when making their decision.
 

unforgiven

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Everyone is aware of this. Not hard for a video ref to account for this when making their decision.

Ummmm yes it is. Even with a physics degree it would be practically impossible. You may be aware of this but you have no understanding of what is involved. There are just too many varying factors.

As you are aware of this could you please enlighten me on how a video ref would account for this when making their decision?
 
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simmo1

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Ummmm yes it is. Even with a physics degree it would be practically impossible. You may be aware of this but you have no understanding of what is involved. There are just too many varying factors.

As you are aware of this could you please enlighten me on how a video ref would account for this when making their decision?

The same way the on-field ref does you dope.

Thrown backwards but floats forward due to momentum = play on. Thrown out of the hands forward = forward pass.
 

--Storm--

Juniors
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You think they'd start reviewing every try as soon as its scored, they don't start looking at it until it gets sent up stairs
 

unforgiven

Bench
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The same way the on-field ref does you dope.

Thrown backwards but floats forward due to momentum = play on. Thrown out of the hands forward = forward pass.

Do you seriously believe that a video ref is going to get this call correct? Did you even see the complete shambles this was when video refs had this power? The camera angles are not sufficient to allow for these calls to be made. I was also responding to the posts stating that forward pass decisions are the same as offsides and knock ons which is cleary not the case.

Notice I was able to construct a reply without name calling, I will take your responses more seriously in future if you are able to do the same.
 
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How exactly are forward passes not the same as knock ons or offsides in relation to camera angles and the ability for a video ref to rule on them?

Camera angles are no different to the angle the refs have. If video refs cant rule on passes due to angles being an issue then refs cant either. If anything the video ref is more capable of making a call because he has several angles to look at. The ref has one.

Having said all that, the game would be better off without any of this shit. There should be one ref and no video ref and just get on with it like in virtually every competition on the planet outside the nrl.
 

unforgiven

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How exactly are forward passes not the same as knock ons or offsides in relation to camera angles and the ability for a video ref to rule on them?

Camera angles are no different to the angle the refs have. If video refs cant rule on passes due to angles being an issue then refs cant either. If anything the video ref is more capable of making a call because he has several angles to look at. The ref has one.

Having said all that, the game would be better off without any of this shit. There should be one ref and no video ref and just get on with it like in virtually every competition on the planet outside the nrl.

Because in a knock on you are looking to determine if a ball travels forward has nothing to do with the direction of the hsnds or if it floats forward. Offsides has nothing to do with the movement of a ball and is just down to if a player is in front of yhe kicker. The angles are different because the focus in forward passes os the direction the ball is thrown not where it ends up.

Also there are 2 bloody touch judges whos main job is to be inline with the play and call on forward passes. They have the best angle to make the call.
 

Maximus

Coach
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Maximus, did you think it was a no try?

Sure did.

I'd much rather use common sense within the rules than black and white/zero tolerance kind of rulings.

By 'within the rules' I mean I am ok with phrases in the rulebook which allow for grey areas, eg. "If the decoy runner is deemed by the referee to have no effect on the play...."

So you would be happy if in one game a player being taken out who was 5 metres from the play can be deemed as having an effect on the play, and in another game the same situation having the opposite result?

Oh wait we already had that, and I have no doubts you were one of the biggest sooks then as well.

what on earth are you on about? the ball was passed 10 metres outside him, no-one ran behind him

The same question can be asked of you. What decision are you talking about? Everyone is talking about Johnson running behind Mannering.
 
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Because in a knock on you are looking to determine if a ball travels forward has nothing to do with the direction of the hsnds or if it floats forward. Offsides has nothing to do with the movement of a ball and is just down to if a player is in front of yhe kicker. The angles are different because the focus in forward passes os the direction the ball is thrown not where it ends up.

Also there are 2 bloody touch judges whos main job is to be inline with the play and call on forward passes. They have the best angle to make the call.
A video is still better at seeing the direction the ball travels out of the hand than a ref who is not in line and touchies who might as well not be there.at all. The proof is in how many they get wrong now.
 
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So how come they get so many wrong every single game?

A. They're not in line at all.
B. They only get one look at it.
C. They're f**king idiots.

If you can rule on knock ons and offsides via video you can rule on forward passes too.
 
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