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The Bunker

Hello, I'm The Doctor

First Grade
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just f**k the bunker off for anything that happens between the trylines. Only use them for put downs and let the refs do their job.

The dragons were a disgrace to the game today. Lying down on Anzac day FFS. If the bunkers cant adjudicate on these in slow mo then noone lies down anymore.

Simple. NRL sort the mess out it is a joke

Two weeks later:

"we have the technology to help the refs, why the f*ck arnt we using it?!??!?!?!?"
 

Eion

First Grade
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just f**k the bunker off for anything that happens between the trylines. Only use them for put downs and let the refs do their job.

The dragons were a disgrace to the game today. Lying down on Anzac day FFS. If the bunkers cant adjudicate on these in slow mo then noone lies down anymore.

Simple. NRL sort the mess out it is a joke

Laying down was the inevitable outcome of the bunker farting around in general play. Even moreso because that is exactly what happened when they did the same thing with video refs years ago.

Greenburg is an idiot.
 

Card Shark

Immortal
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32,237
Sometimes it's not laying down though. I wouldn't like to get whacked in the chops by a 100kg+ "athlete".

It's up to the video ref to keep out of it unless it's a bad 1.

They intervene in the most innocuous instances, using no common sense.
 

Eion

First Grade
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The only time I am ok with it going to the bunker is if the ref has seen an awful penalty and had awarded it, and is considering a send off and wants to confirm. That's it. Otherwise piss off and wait for a try.
 

beave

Coach
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http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/to...r/news-story/26ccaf687b312130353106613eaf8f78

AN UNSEEN moment in the NRL bunker on Anzac Day shows officials aren’t on the same page when it comes to interpreting the rules.
Speaking on NRL:360 on Tuesday night, co-host Paul Kent revealed referees’ boss Tony Archer wasn’t happy with Luke Patten, who was the main bunker official for the Storm’s clash with the Warriors in Melbourne.
Patten green-lit a Cooper Cronk try in the second half after it was sent upstairs with a query of obstruction. A Melbourne decoy runner made contact with a defender as the Warriors were on their tryline, but the former Bulldog ruled the defender who was impeded would not have been able to get across and make a play at Cronk before he crossed the line, even if he wasn’t bumped into.
As an ex-footballer, he used common sense and personal discretion to make a call rather than go by the strict black-and-white interpretation of the rules that would have seen the try disallowed.
Technically, the decoy runner, who ran a line from the outside in, hit “the outside shoulder of an inside defender” according to Ben Ikin, and therefore the try should not have stood.
That’s why Archer wasn’t impressed with Patten.
Kent said Archer and Bernard Sutton — a senior review official who wasn’t officiating the Storm vs Warriors game — approached Patten after the match.
If the referees can’t agree, how can the NRL expect coaches to support them?

“After that happened, Tony Archer marched into the bunker and pulled Luke Patten aside with Bernard Sutton,” said Kent.
“Luke Patten is an ex-player, he sees things as an ex-player would see them. Bernard Sutton is an ex-referee so he sees it as the letter of the law in strict black-and-white terms, so they have a difference in opinion on how the rules should be interpreted.

“Tony Archer rocked up at the end of the game and basically bollocked him (Patten) for basically causing inconsistency from decision to decision.”
Eight rounds in to the NRL season and there is still confusion over rules — particularly the obstruction rule, which seems to cause controversy every year. This uncertainty is crippling the game, making people debate decisions more often than lauding players’ skill.
If the referees can’t agree on how to apply the rules amongst themselves, how can they expect coaches, players and fans to accept their rulings without question?
Roosters coach Trent Robinson lashed out at the bunker for interfering too much during his side’s loss to the Dragons, and Kent believes one of the major problems is a lack of effective communication between the NRL, clubs and the media.
“The rules change every year, it’s hard to keep up with them,” Kent said
“Players and coaches discuss the rules and you think, ‘Well hang on, that’s actually not the rule anymore, that rule’s been changed.’”
When asked by Ben Ikin if it was the NRL’s responsibility to educate coaches and commentators on the rules each year, Kent replied: “Yes it is.”

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When I heard Patten say this last night, I blew up deluxe. The rule had somehow been changed over night because if his public reasoning for awarding the try is now the interpretation, Parra were definitely robbed of a try the night before, Brisbane Friday night and NQ in the derby at Suncorp earlier in the year (amongst many others). I am loathe to bag the officials but for f**ks sake, the bunker officials can't even agree on the interpretation of the obstruction.

It's a complete farce.
 

Perth Red

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There is no inconsistency, patten just got that one wrong. Every other one recently has been consistently denied.
 

bileduct

Coach
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Does any other sport suffer from such constant tinkering with the rules?

The issue is probably compounded by the fact that there are more officials than ever with the video referee continuing to encroach on more and more of the game. More rules, more eyes, more pressure on referees to actually enforce existing rules or crack down on wrestling, etc.. For a while we've been seeing players turn their backs into defenders who then become victims of momentum and gravity when some referee sees a 'crusher' tackle. Video referee scrutiny is just seeing players lay down looking for penalties, but now it's at the point where even incidental contact is being penalised. So even more players lay down.

Then you've got the media and public hysteria about which rules aren't being enforced, so suddenly we see a spate of sin bins after years of referees being totally reluctant to use them for anything other than throwing a punch. A handful of players get cited for touching referees in a single round.

For all the good the technology provides there's still the trade off that it's being operated by monkeys that are going to make monkey decisions. The video ref is expected to make rulings on off side calls from difficult camera angles but a lot of the real close ones may as well be 50/50 calls. They should be using the technology currently used for advertising to give the video ref some real tools to make those calls.
 
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Does any other sport suffer from such constant tinkering with the rules?

The issue is probably compounded by the fact that there are more officials than ever with the video referee continuing to encroach on more and more of the game. More rules, more eyes, more pressure on referees to actually enforce existing rules or crack down on wrestling, etc.. For a while we've been seeing players turn their backs into defenders who then become victims of momentum and gravity when some referee sees a 'crusher' tackle. Video referee scrutiny is just seeing players lay down looking for penalties, but now it's at the point where even incidental contact is being penalised. So even more players lay down.

Then you've got the media and public hysteria about which rules aren't being enforced, so suddenly we see a spate of sin bins after years of referees being totally reluctant to use them for anything other than throwing a punch. A handful of players get cited for touching referees in a single round.

For all the good the technology provides there's still the trade off that it's being operated by monkeys that are going to make monkey decisions. The video ref is expected to make rulings on off side calls from difficult camera angles but a lot of the real close ones may as well be 50/50 calls. They should be using the technology currently used for advertising to give the video ref some real tools to make those calls.



Good post, Bile
 

bileduct

Coach
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Well a lot of people seemed to think the bunker was going to solve everything.

It was only ever going to make the decisions faster, not better. And it's certainly f**ked up a lot of things. The four camera view is just a complete waste of time for people at the ground.
 

DiegoNT

First Grade
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Is there anyone here naive enough to believe that refereeing decisions would be any better this year?

The NRL

They were naive enough to think that technology was behind the refs problems in the past and not a combination of the way the refs are 'coached' and changing of rules every 5 minutes.
 

Perth Red

Post Whore
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I think they have on the whole been better
Much quicker VR decisions, last year was truly truly diabolical how long it was taking
More consistency on the obstruction rule barring last weeks one off poor call

All that's left to do is stop the VR deciding on anything other than a possible send off and act of scoring and it would be perfect

then they would need to do a massive positivity job on commentators and video replay editors from Fox and Ch9 to stop them going over every decision one hundred times and spending ten minutes at a time telling us how the refs got it wrong!

I have to say I don't see any advantage of having two refs on the field. Ref standards are arguably worse than SL and they manage with one ref
 

Parra

Referee
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No other sport f**ks up video refs like the NRL. Cricket tries hard to be as bad, but still lags in this regard.

Rugby & NFL don't have these constant f**k ups.

The NRL bunker is a joke. Don't try and fix it. End it.
 

Parra

Referee
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A few pissed off fans there too.

Absolutely. They also make the mistake of letting the teams suggest and make the rule changes.

Then there is the qualifying debacle of the first two GPs this year. At least they had the sense to revert back to something that worked quickly.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-the-nrl-bunker-revealed-20160430-goites.html

Sin Bin: The real cost of the NRL bunker revealed

Date
April 30, 2016 - 6:00PM

Adrian Proszenko
Chief Rugby League Reporter

It has been derided as a $2 million lemon, but the real cost of the bunker is far greater than that.

We can reveal the NRL has spent $3.2 million to set up the much-maligned Central Command Centre, which has come under fire after a series of dubious decisions in its inaugural season. Rugby League Central has a five-year lease arrangement for the facility at Eveleigh, which has been created by broadcast solution provider NEP and uses Hawk-Eye Innovations to provide the video review technology via Telstra. The costs are significantly higher than original estimates and it remains to be seen if the results are worth it.

The bunker has come under intense criticism after a series of controversial calls, although the technology itself has worked smoothly. The issue remains the interpretations of the rules and inconsistencies around when the bunker is referred to. After players and coaches launched a series of tirades about its use, the NRL came out with an edict banning them from commenting on the bunker.

Canterbury coach Des Hasler chose his words carefully when asked about the bunker during his weekly press conference, saying: "You talk about the word inconsistent.

"The technology is there, the interpretation is probably the biggest issue and that's all I'm going to say about that."

Hasler's sentiments reflect the feelings of the majority of coaches and players in the wider league community.

NRL officials hope that, as the season progresses, the teething problems will be worked out and the bunker will justify its expense.
 

the seagull

Juniors
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NRL is run by a bunch of clowns- a sport that constantly changes the rules whilst at the same time ignoring most of the rules.

I have watched the games this week where we have untold forward passes ( is the touch busy counting the crowd instead of watching the games) penalty kicks which are taken six to seven metres over the mark, players in front of the kicker being disregards because its been a kick downfield, players when tackled stepping two metres downfield everytime, markers are only not squared when they dive on the ball from marker, I could go on- the point is when you don't referee the rules you have lose control of the game. The refs need to be in charged and ref all the rules , make the players play to the rules, the refs need to have fear from the players that they will penalise players if they break the rules.

If the players think they may be penalised they wont be so keen to break the rules. And when both teams play by the rules we will get a better game.

The trouble is I can't see the refs having the "nads" to do this. Some coach may get upset and cry, and it will be our fault. If they watch the game and ref it onfield, you will get less of the bunkers interference.
 

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